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Re: Order of evaluation for aggregates

From: Birte Glimm <birte.glimm@uni-ulm.de>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:22:54 +0100
Message-ID: <CABt65OdJ-4Ej_dHc=Rzw_f5cHnj3A+ac4CuFqDYqZWa4Ju=SjQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com>
Cc: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>, SPARQL Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
On 15 November 2011 18:12, Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 15/11/11 12:44, Steve Harris wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks Birte.
>>
>> OK, of these I suspect that changing the substitution to (SAMPLE(?x) AS
>> ?x) will mean the least changes.
>
> As syntax, (SAMPLE(?x) AS ?x) isn't legal because AS has to introduce a new
> variable. This happens in SELECT expression processing a few subsections.

Yes, that occured to me as well. Unless it is made legal for
intermediate queries, which I don't like, there seems no way around
creating solutions in the aggregate join that also contain the grouped
variables.

> There is no definition of "Aggregation".  It's mentioned in 11.2 but the
> link goes to "Definition: Evaluation of Aggregation".  There should a
> definition (just after group?) in 18.4.

Yes, I also wondered about that. It is somehow clear how to evaluate,
but it would be much more consistent if there were a definition.

> I looked because I wondered if we could just have an "?x" as the
> "aggregate".

Not sure I understand this.

> But I think, as Birte shows, as because it's done by syntactic
> rewriting, just leaving it as "?x" would work.

As I don't understand the sentence above. I just want to make my point
again that we need a binding for ?x if ?x is grouped but not in an
aggregate as it can be used in the HAVING clause. If, at the point of
evaluating HAVING, we only have agg_1, we can't filter on ?x.

>> I wanted to convert the plain ?x projection to an aggregate so it was
>> consistent with the rest of the projections, but expressing it explicitly
>> would be equivalent I think.
>>
>> I will have a run through the aggregation text and see if I can make that
>> change with a relatively small change to the document.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>    Steve
>
> I also noticed;
>
> [[
> Definition: Evaluation of AggregateJoin
> ...
> Note that if eval(D(G), Ai) is an error, it is ignored.
> ]]
>
>  An error causes an error doesn't it?  (AS causes it to be unbound)

AS is transformed into Extend(), which is evaluated:
Extend(μ, var, expr) = μ ∪ { (var,value) | var not in dom(μ) and value
= eval(expr) }
Extend(μ, var, expr) = μ if var not in dom(μ) and eval(expr) is an error

The latter makes the solution just not contain a mapping for the
variable as I understand it.

But while we are at it, there is a lowercase extend in the Definition of Extend:
Extend(Ω , var, term) = { extend(μ, var, term) | μ in Ω }

It is also lowercase in the evaluation semantics:
Definition: Evaluation of Extend
eval(D(G), extend(var, expr, P)) = extend(var, expr , eval(D(G), P))
Furthermore, here we swap the order. It should be
eval(D(G), Extend(P, var, expr)) = Extend(eval(D(G), P), var, expr)
or the algorithm for translating queries into the algrebra is wrong
and has to be changed.

Birte
>        Andy
>



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