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Re: Member Submission

From: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:45:41 +0100
Message-ID: <4C686005.1040908@epimorphics.com>
To: Alexandre Passant <alexandre.passant@deri.org>
CC: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>, Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>, "public-rdf-dawg@w3.org Group" <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
Let's look at this in the overall context of SPARQL 1.0->1.1.  While at 
the moment, google puts the member submission as the first hit, the 
SPARQL 1.1 Update is already the second hit so it seems reasonable to me 
that as SPARQL 1.1 finishes, or during the late stages of 
standardization, the order will naturally change as people pick up on 

We have talked about an overview page giving details of the documents 
and also including some standard intro text in each of the documents to 
point to the other documents as is common elsewhere in W3C RECs.

Whether this is an overview document or something simpler like just a 
bulleted list of links to the docs, I don't mind.  The W3C boiler plate 
is reasonably long (and I'm writing this on a netbook so it's being 
brought home about the presentation issues of our document format).

The WG home page has some content that, in one sentence, gives a summary 
of the document (query is expressed as a diff from 1.0) so there is a 
starting point there.

It does not mention the function library doc which I hope we're still 
doing as I think it's helpful in creating working across implementations.

We should add the two result format documents into the list:

Aside: should move to promote the JSON format as a REC and canonicalise 
its name?  I'd help with that.

SPARQL 1.1 Query
SPARQL Query Results XML Format
Serializing SPARQL Query Results in JSON
SPARQL 1.1 Update
SPARQL 1.1 Uniform HTTP Protocol for Managing RDF Graphs
SPARQL 1.1 Protocol
SPARQL 1.1 Service Description
SPARQL 1.1 Entailment Regimes
SPARQL 1.1 Common Functions Library

Property paths is being folded into the query document, and IIRC so is 
federated query (the SERVICE part) with a suitable note about it not 
always being provided.

Steve wrote:
> I would imagine more people now implement the drafts.

Who does implement SPARQL 1.1 Update?

I've done some parser work, but not execution, preferring to work on 
SPARQL 1.1 Query as proving ground for the editorial work (which is 
completed in ARQ now, pending clarification we make through review and 

Currently SPARQL/Update (the member submission) is in use and people use 
it.  I'm hopeful mapping that to the SPARQL 1.1 Update implementation 
can be done as a translation during or after parsing but I can't reuse 
the execution of updates unchanged as SPARQL 1.1 Update is a bit 
different different in the details.

For timing, we should do all the SPARQL 1.0 documents together as it may 
be confusing if some are done and not others.  The edits to OWL1 were 
done as OWL2 went to REC (the OWl1 changes are noted as 12 November 
2009, REC was 27 October 2009).  The OWL 1.1 member submission has not 
been changed (and does not come up on the first page of a Google search 
for me at least).  Changing a member submission is a bit different from 
changing the product of the previous working group.

I don't think we should link to working drafts.


On 14/08/10 18:34, Alexandre Passant wrote:
> On 14 Aug 2010, at 16:03, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>> "Steve Harris"<steve.harris@garlik.com>  wrote:
>>> We've have a few problems with people googling for "sparql update", finding the member submission from 2008, and assuming that's the right syntax.
>>> Is there any way to put a note, or pointer to look at the current drafts? I would imagine more people now implement the drafts.
>> There are two approaches to this: making the "latest version" url serve up our current WG drafts, or have a note like on the OWL 1 RECs pointing to OWL 2.  I lean toward the latter option.
> +1 for keeping the Member Submission at its own URL but linking to SPARQL 1.1 Update
>> Anyone care to suggest wording for such a note, and I'll propose it to the people in charge of pubs...?    It'd be nice to have wording that won't need to be changed as our drafts mature.
> The best might be a simple wording similar to OWL / OWL2
> """
> New Version Available: SPARQL 1.1 Update (Working Draft 1 June 2010)
> The SPARQL Working Group has produced a W3C Working Draft for a new version of SPARQL Update which adds features to this 2008 version. Please use the SPARQL 1.1 Update document instead of this Member Submission if you wish to implement SPARQL Update capabilities on your RDF store.
> However, note that the syntax of SPARQL 1.1 Update features may change until SPARQL 1.1 Update becomes a W3C Recommendation.
> """
> WIll just require date change for and s/Working Draft/Recommendation for further updates - and removing the last bit when we reach Rec.
> Alex.
>>     -- Sandro
>>> Regards,
>>>   Steve
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