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Re: HTTP Status Codes for QueryRequestRefused

From: Seaborne, Andy <andy.seaborne@hp.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:33:06 +0000
Message-ID: <43BD3C32.5020007@hp.com>
To: Kendall Clark <kendall@monkeyfist.com>
CC: RDF Data Access Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>

Kendall Clark wrote:
> On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Seaborne, Andy wrote:
>>Kendall Clark wrote:
>>>On Nov 1, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Leigh Dodds wrote:
>>>>These are quite different failure modes and it would be useful to be
>>>>able to distinguish between them. Without that facility a client   
>>>>legitimately know whether it can retry its request, or for how long
>>>>the server may be unavailable.
>>>I think the WG was aware of these implications of choosing only a   
>>>single fault and overloading it for different conditions. There's  
>>>not  been any interest in defining additional faults and  
>>>serializing them  with different HTTP codes as you suggest.
>>There has been interest, from me at least.
> I've only ever heard you say that the QueryRequestRefused fault  
> should be serialized with a different HTTP code than the one I think  
> it should be serialized with. That's similar but not the same point I  
> made to Leigh. FWIW.
>>We could say that this is an HTTP-level fault, it does not need to  
>>be reflected at the SPARQL level (so does not need to be reflected  
>>in the protocol document).  But the document and your reply suggest  
>>otherwise. Better to accept it will happen.
> Yes, because that's the design I thought we had consented to. If  
> not,  I'm happy to change the doc to reflect the new design.
> But it'll have to be put onto the agenda or something, because I only  
> know today that I don't believe I agree with this analysis and you do  
> agree with it, so that doesn't seem like enough consensus to change  
> the doc.
>>If we add a paragraph with 2.2 saying that other HTTP faults must  
>>be handled by the HTTP layer, then we reflect the fact that such  
>>codes can occur and must be dealt with in the usual way for the  
>>implmentation environment (without having to say what the usual way  
> I don't see how adding this language actually *adds* anything  
> whatever to the spec. That is, it's the same design whether this text  
> is there explicitly or not (or so I claim), because this position is  
> the default. There's no language anywhere saying that other HTTP  
> status codes should not or must not be returned or that, if they are  
> returned, they should not or must be "dealt with in the usual way".  
> The document is, as I've pointed out to David Wood and Leigh Dodds  
> lately, silent on what else might or may happen.
> Anyway, my 2 cents, but I haven't see enough consensus or support to  
> warrant changing the doc yet. :>
> Cheers,
> Kendall

I would like to see some text that states that it is possible for the HTTP 
request to rturn other (HTTP related) codes because it is outside the defined 

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