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Minutes of RDF DAWG telcon 2005-08-09 for review

From: Janne Saarela <janne.saarela@profium.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:05:19 +0300
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RDF Data Access Working Group
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/
Tuesday 2005-08-09 14:30-16:30 UTC
log: http://www.w3.org/2005/08/09-dawg-irc

chair: DanC
scribe: JanneS

1. Convene, take roll, review agenda

Attending:
     Dave Beckett
     Kendall Clark
     Dan Connolly
     Steve Harris
     Eric Prud'hommeaux
     Janne Saarela
     Andy Seaborne
     Elias Torres

Regrets: JeenB, LeeF

Minutes of RDF DAWG telcon 2005-08-02
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0175.html
ACCEPTED without changes

Next meeting: 16 Aug, scribe: SteveH or else EricP

continue the following without discussion:

ACTION: ericP to add "don't normalize" to rq23 (perhaps supplied in
0096)
ACTION: EricP to add test in 0096 to rq23 tests. label "approved" and ref
http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes
ACTION: ericP to send [OK?] message to Bjoern

ACTION: ericP to update rq23 to include the text of rq23/mime.txt reflect
security concearns

ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple
ACTION: DaveB to to propose source test to approve
ACTION: SteveH to review the relevant test case re: IRI normalization ref
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-dawg-minutes#item06
ACTION: AndyS to add the above graph test cases (analagous to valueTesting
test cases) (don't expect quick delivery) ref
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf5-bos.html#item05

ACTION: DanC to investigate having CVS commits send to the WG list

ACTION LeeF: draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS and Elias ETA 2 Sep
ACTION DanC: ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2 SPARQL protocol 
stuff,
once both are available


2. comment "Query forms should be resources, not operations"

DONE KC: ask Baker for clarification
http://www.w3.org/mid/20050802163011.GF17467@monkeyfist.com

Baker confirmed that's what he meant
http://www.w3.org/mid/20050802211142.GU18852@markbaker.ca

ACTION KendallC: write another draft response to Mark Baker's comment 
and send to WG for possible discussion


3. toward Protocol last call

The following two action items considered done in V1.57 of
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/

ACTION Elias: elaborate "DESCRIBE with simple RDF dataset" and a few
other examples
DONE

ACTION KendallC: update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rf1/result2
to
http://www.w3.org/2005/sparql-results#
DONE

ACTION KendallC: abstract/abbreviate http trace examples
ACTION KendallC: fix d. ASK with simple RDF dataset...XML is wrong.

ACTION SteveH: elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content negotiation" into a 
test case
CONTINUED

ACTION EricP: discuss conformance w.r.t. WSDL 2 with PLH and send some 
notes to
the WG, preferably including suggested text for conformance
CONTINUED

PROPOSED: a SPARQL service _must_ return MalformedQuery for queries that 
are not SPARQL Query Strings
RESOLVED, W3C/EricP and UMD/KC abstaining

ACTION AndyS: review proto-wd/ as LC candidate after signal from KC, 
perhaps by 9 Aug but more likely 16 Aug
seems to be in progress; see "Andy's review..." thread.
DONE as started in 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0190.html

ACTION EricP: review protocol document 1.58

ACTION SteveH: review proto-wd after Friday signal from KC, hopefully in 
time for monday's agenda or tuesday's telcon


4. comment "Security Considerations"

http://www.w3.org/mid/43203939.225674421@smtp.bjoern.hoehrmann.de

ACTION EricP: add "security considerations" to rq23, incl "see also 
protocol security considerations"
DONE in V1.460 of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security

5. "SPARQL Query Results XML Format: XML 1.1" comment

http://www.w3.org/mid/1123099748.20865.18.camel@localhost

ACTION DaveB: see if PLH would be satisfied with s/can/may/ in what he 
suggested


6. "SPARQL Results Format and Unbound Variables" comment

http://www.w3.org/mid/42F4CEEB.5090306@umd.edu

This seems to be new information; perhaps designs that better
achieve our design objective.

  4.7 Bandwidth-efficient Protocol
  http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-dawg-uc/#d4.7

--- Adjourned here at 16:00 UTC, didn't process the remaining agenda 
items below ---


7. "Backslashes in string literals" comment

DONE AndyS: take the "Backslashes in string literals" comment

I gather from email discussion that there are a number of design
alternatives. I'll try to enumerate them, straw poll, and decide. We'll see.


8. issues#sort

comment: "ORDER with IRIs"
http://www.w3.org/mid/431b3915.225638015@smtp.bjoern.hoehrmann.de

and approve. If the conclusion of the spec can't already be justfied 
from the text, let's fix the
text.


9. issues#valueTesting

ACTION DaveB: make 'XXI'^^:romanNumeral  = 21 and points nearby into 
test cases
(or ask questions in email).


10. issues#badIRIRef

ACTION AndyS: draft language re <foo###bar> errors
ACTION AndyS: Use IRI ref not RDF URI ref as world has moved on

(those are at least in progress)

11. WSDL V2 last call

Any comments from the DAWG to WSDL folks?

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Next meeting: 16-August-2005 at 14:30 UTC.

-- 
Janne Saarela <janne.saarela at profium.com>
Profium, Lars Sonckin kaari 12, 02600 Espoo, Finland
Internet: http://www.profium.com
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