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Re: Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon Tuesday 2004-12-07 for review

From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:59:46 -0500
To: public-rdf-dawg@w3.org
Message-ID: <20041209045946.GC14929@unagi.w3.org>

On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:44:20PM -0500, Eric Prud'hommeaux wrote:
> 
> RDF Data Access Working Group
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/
> Tuesday 2004-12-07 14:30-16:03 UTC
> log: http://www.w3.org/2004/12/07-dawg-irc

sorry, that's
http://www.w3.org/2004/12/07-dawg-irc

> Agenda:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0412.html
> 
> chair: Dan Connolly
> scribe: Eric Prud'hommeaux
> 
> 
> 1. Convene, take roll, review agenda
> 
> Attending:
>     Eric Prud'hommeaux
>     Dan Connolly
>     Simon Raboczi
>     Tom Adams
>     Steve Harris
>     Kendall Clark
>     Kevin Wilkinson
>     Andy Seaborne
>     Jos De Roo
> 
> Regrets:
>     Alberto Reggiori
>     Howard Katz
>     Pat Hayes
>     Hiroyuki Sato
>     Dave Beckett (on IRC for a while)
>     Farrukh Najmi
>     Janne Saarela
> 
> Next meeting:
> Tuesday 2004-12-14 14:30-16:30 UTC
> Scribe: TomA
> 
> PROPOSED to accept as a true record of the last meeting:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0394.html
> ACCEPTED without opposition
> 
> ACTION: KendallC expose our walking tour data to SPARQL querying
> clients
> CONTINUED
> 
> 
> 2. ftf4 2005-01-19/2005-01-20 in Helsinki, Finland
> 
> [DanC forwards mail to WG re what to wear in Finland]
> 12 expected at the f2f.
> 
> 
> 7. ftf5 in March 2005
> 
> DanC showed us the SWIG meeting at the 2005 tech plenary page
> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SwigAtTp2005
> 
> ACTION EricP: find logistics re F2F5 at tech plenary in Boston March 28 Feb - 4 Mar (2 days). Some WG preference to Mon/Tue of that week.
> CONTINUES
> 
> Kendall brought up the idea of meeting for 4 days. No audible strong
> reactions. DanC can chair for 2 days.
> 
> 
> 3. Test Cases
> 
> ACTION JosD: write email about alternative result format using
> DONE http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0415.html
> 
> This raised a use/mention discussion. No discriminating use cases
> found yet. DanBri has URI munging and regexp use cases. Andy proposes
> <<uri>> in
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0420.html
> DanC will create an issue ala
> ISSUE: use/mention issues in regex operators, test result format
> 
> ACTION: SteveH is willing to adapt his testing infrastructure to
> generate input/output RDF/XML and typed nodes into manifest file
> CONTINUED
> 
> ACTION EricP: make sure all dawg tests are world-readable now and
> going forward
> 
> ACTION EricP: come up with a specification for the "non-XML" syntax
> (may be turtle)
> 
> PROPOSED to accept use cases
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#sparql-query-example-2-1a
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#sparql-query-example-2-2a
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#sparql-query-example-2-3a
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#sparql-query-example-2-4a
> RESOLVED with 1 abstention: Kendall Clark and no objections
> 
> Simon, DanC raised a scalar constraints issue with "?price < 30" in ex 3
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/#sparql-query-example-3
> SimonR: can you put scalar constraints in the graph?
> AndyS: numeric ops allowed in scalar constraints ala "?price + 3 < ?x + ?y"
> AndyS: What about    op:lessThan "42"^^xsd:byte    (0verloading)
> This also raised issues of casting and round-tripping.
> 
> ACTION: EricP to sketch tests around comparators in the graph
> constraint
> 
> ACTION SimonR: propose test case for scalar constraint with syntax
> uniform to graph constraints
> 
> XSCH SWBPD task force is addressing XSD data types in RDF.
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw/
> 
> DanC, SimonR, TomA and JosD don't like the scalar
> constraints syntax.
> 
> 
> 4. Protocol
> 
> [discussing 26 Nov binding
>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0364.html]
> 
> A discussion of whether to publish the result format separately
> sparked these issues:
>   should be RDF-friendly
>   schema users want predictable element and attribute names
>   vars could be listed at the head
> The mood was in favor of a separate result format document.
> 
> ACTION: DaveB to write an XML result format
> 
> ACTION: AndyS to review Dave's XML result set format
> 
> ACTION: SteveH to review Dave's XML result set format
> 
> [discussion of simplex protocol document
>  http://monkeyfist.com/kendall/sparql-protocol-simplex/]
> 
> PROPOSE that simplex be published pending approval from KendallC and TomA and AndyS
> RESOLVED with 0 abstentions and 0 objections
> 
> ACTION: KendallC to publish "SPARQL Protocol for RDF" pending approval from TomA and AndyS
> 
> 
> 5. SPARQL SOURCE Issue
> 
> c.f.
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0426.html
> 
> ACTION: DaveB update the dawg test repository to record or amend tests
> to correspond to the
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0241.html
> CONTINUED
> 
> ACTION: TomA write email to list about how their customers are using
> named graphs
> DONE
> 
> ACTION: JanneS propose text for hard failure in the protocol draft
> CONTINUED
> 
> ACTION: DanC suggest formal definitions for SOURCE
> CONTINUED
> 
> 
> 6. SPARQL update, issues
> 
> ACTION: PatH to review editors working draft of rq23
> DONE
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0419.html
> 
> ACTION: AlbertoR owns issue 'DESCRIBE'
> DONE
> 
> ACTION: DanC owner of issue 'yes or no questions' (pending protocol
> doc)
> CONTINUED
> 
> ACTION: SteveH own (i.e. propose resolution to) disjunction issue
> CONTINUED
> 
> ACTION: EricP migrate some Algae UnionDisjunciton test cases
> 
> [discussion of whether to publish early without PatH's feedback or
> later with the feedback]
> Mood in favor of publishing later with the feedback.
> 
> 
> ADJOURNED at 16:03:29Z
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