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From: Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@graphity.org>
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:43:09 +0100
Message-ID: <CAE35VmyeEo+_mX_M=GX6UXhz578gprgN7KuG8g1sbgLUk6evyw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Cc: public-rax@w3.org
Hey all,

(resending from the right address)

sorry for not being able to participate today. I updated my section on
XML formats for quads however:
https://www.w3.org/community/rax/wiki/Draft_Material#XML_formats_for_RDF_datasets_.28quads.29

Nice weekend everyone,

Martynas
atomgraph.com

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:
> See
>
> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-rax-minutes.html
>
> and below as text. We discussed the two use cases from Christopher
>
> https://www.w3.org/community/rax/wiki/Draft_Material#Data_acquisition_from_job_postings_via_GATE
> https://www.w3.org/community/rax/wiki/Draft_Material#AutomationML_industry_automation_models_integration
>
> and issues with converting (potentially with back conversion = round tripping) from XML/HTML to RDF. From that we may derive some general patterns that may be worth documenting. We will provide examples of input output in the github - feel free to do the same. Next call would be 9 December.
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
>    [1]W3C
>
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>                                - DRAFT -
>
>                                  rax cg
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> 25 Nov 2016
>
>    [2]Agenda
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>       [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rax/2016Nov/0008.html
>
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-rax-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>    Present
>           philr, felix, timea, christoph
>
>    Regrets
>           christian, gerard, jose
>
>    Chair
>           phil
>
>    Scribe
>           fsasaki
>
> Contents
>
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]meeting start
>          2. [6]bdva summit
>          3. [7]AOB
>      * [8]Summary of Action Items
>      * [9]Summary of Resolutions
>      __________________________________________________________
>
> meeting start
>
>    phil: did a review of use cases this morning. not too much
>    change, missed one that christoph added.
>
>    [10]https://www.w3.org/community/rax/wiki/Draft_Material#Data_a
>    cquisition_from_job_postings_via_GATE
>
>      [10] https://www.w3.org/community/rax/wiki/Draft_Material#Data_acquisition_from_job_postings_via_GATE
>
>    phil: thanks a lot for adding this, christoph - can you give a
>    brief description?
>
>    christoph: sure. have not yet managed to share the
>    descriptions, I have more material, and will get it done to
>    share this
>    ... will also add more concrete examples. Application setting
>    is: we collect job postings in the form of plain text from the
>    web
>    ... we do named entity recognition with gate, and we get XML
>    output
>    ... begining and end of each token is annotated
>
>    <clange> text text text <start/>recognised entity<end/> text
>    text
>
>    christoph: see above XML example. this has to be translated to
>    RDF
>
>    <clange> <start id="foo"/>
>
>    <clange> <start href="#foo"/>
>
>    christoph: start and end tags look like the above
>
>    <clange> ids or refs (forgot which direction) are in these
>    start/end tags
>
>    christoph: we are using XSLT based tool I developed (trextor)
>    to create RDF. it is quite hard
>
>    <clange> krextor
>
>    christoph: with XPath it is hard to select elements between
>    start and end tags
>    ... that is a bit tricky, you need a good knowledge of XPath,
>    the sibling axis' etc.
>    ... in context of European project, in which another partner is
>    doing the extraction
>
>    phil: is this similar to Martynas case?
>
>    christopher: in terms of Xpath complexity, yes
>    ... general XML to RDF transformation issue?
>
>    [11]https://github.com/fsasaki/its20-extractor/tree/master/wiki
>    pedia-extractor
>
>      [11] https://github.com/fsasaki/its20-extractor/tree/master/wikipedia-extractor
>
>    <philr> felix: I've written various converters
>
>    <philr> ...it is always special case issues
>
>    <philr> ...XML has various ways to include content
>
>    <philr> ...special purpose handling is somwhat unavoidable
>
>    <philr> ...example documents with guideance would be useful
>
>    scribe: may be useful to give guidance on how to handle various
>    cases
>
>    christopher: there are patterns, e.g. parent child relations in
>    XML and RDF properties
>    ... for this you can provide a high level translation patterns
>
>    <philr> clange: High level translation is possible with simple
>    parent-child relationships
>
>    <philr> felix: mixture of text and element nodes is challenging
>
>    [12]https://github.com/fsasaki/its20-extractor/blob/master/wiki
>    pedia-extractor/its-ta-2-nif-wikipedia.xsl#L43
>
>      [12] https://github.com/fsasaki/its20-extractor/blob/master/wikipedia-extractor/its-ta-2-nif-wikipedia.xsl#L43
>
>    <clange> fsasaki: handling of specific links (specific to wiki
>    markup)
>
>    phil: in FREME project we are also doing named entity
>    recognition on plain text. our services are capable of
>    returning turtle files, but we can cover many formats
>
>    [13]https://api-dev.freme-project.eu/ckeditor-dev/ckeditor/samp
>    les/freme.html
>
>      [13] https://api-dev.freme-project.eu/ckeditor-dev/ckeditor/samples/freme.html
>
>    various types of output, inline or external using json-ld
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: felix to provide examples of round tripping as
>    done in the freme project [recorded in
>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-rax-minutes.html#action01]
>
>      [14] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-rax-minutes.html#action01]
>
> bdva summit
>
>    <philr> felix: to collect information on what better tooling is
>    needed
>
>    <philr> ...best practices abd standardization
>
>    <philr> ...1.5 hour session on requirements
>
>    <philr> clange: is there more I can do if I do not attend the
>    summit?
>
>    <philr> felix: it would be good if someone from your
>    organization could attend
>
>    <philr> ...questionnaire to bdva members but want input from
>    companies
>
>    <philr> Is there a fee to join bdva?
>
>    felix: yes, will send info on that
>
>    <clange> fsasaki 14:29: EU is not necessarily interested in new
>    standards being developed, but in existing standards to be
>    _applied_ in a better way
>
>    thanks, clange
>
>    discussion on automationML use case
>
>    felix will send further infos on BDVA around
>
> AOB
>
>    next meeting 9th of December
>
>    phil cannot make it, christian to chair
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [NEW] ACTION: felix to provide examples of round tripping as
>    done in the freme project [recorded in
>    [15]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-rax-minutes.html#action01]
>
>      [15] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-rax-minutes.html#action01
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> Summary of Resolutions
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>    [End of minutes]
>      __________________________________________________________
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> Present: philr felix timea christoph
> Regrets: christian gerard jose
> Agenda: [19]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rax/2016Nov/0008
> .html
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