Re: [PBG] Agenda for 20181106 call : EPUB3.2 REC Track important discussion from AUDRAIN LUC on 2018-11-06 (public-publishingbg@w3.org from November 2018)

From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:51:38 +0000
To: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <15FA1275-5ED6-46AE-A512-FAE482E30223@hachette-livre.fr>
Avneesh,

You are right, but I am afraid we will not find a time suitable for all of us on the planet.
I understand that’s why the PBG scheduled an “Asian call” every 4 calls.

On December 18th, the PBG “Asian call” is in my agenda at 1am Paris time (invitation sent by Garth).
It is then
- Wednesday 1am in Paris,
- Wednesday 9am in Tokyo
- Wednesday 5:30 am New Delhi
- Tuesday 7pm in New York
- Tuesday 4pm in San Francisco
See :
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=W3C+PBG+Meeting+&iso=20181114T01&p1=195&ah=1


Best regards,
Luc


De : Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>
Date : mardi 6 novembre 2018 à 10:58
À : AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
Objet : Re: [PBG] Agenda for 20181106 call : EPUB3.2 REC Track important discussion

This is a major issue in W3C especially in publishing groups.
I have raised it in the Lyon AC meeting also.

The group and its chairs are so much concentrated in North America. PWG and EPUB 3 CG have all chairs from North America, PBG is better, it has one chair from North America and One from Europe. Consequently the meeting timings are all skewed towards time suitable to that region of the world.
Many of the participants are from North America, followed by participation from Europe.
Other parts of world i.e. Asia and Africa are neglected to a great extent.

And in such a situation we are expecting world wide participation, we want to have module for Manga in WP and want to promote WP and EPUB worldwide. The goal is not in-sync with our current arrangements and groups management.


With regards
Avneesh
From: AUDRAIN LUC
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 13:39
To: MURATA Makoto ; W3C Publishing Business Group
Subject: Re: [PBG] Agenda for 20181106 call : EPUB3.2 REC Track important discussion

Dear Makoto,
Well understood. This is the regular scheduled meeting.
I propose we consider an extra meeting very soon with a better Asian time.
Luc


De : MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
Date : mardi 6 novembre 2018 à 09:04
À : W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
Objet : Re: [PBG] Agenda for 20181106 call : EPUB3.2 REC Track important discussion
Renvoyer - De : <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
Renvoyer - Date : mardi 6 novembre 2018 à 09:03

I also think that having this teleconference at 02:00 AM JST is
too inconvenient for Japan, especially because it is one of the
biggest adopters of EPUB3.

Regards,
Makoto

2018年11月6日(火) 16:24 鎌田純子 <kamata@voyager.co.jp>:
Dear all,

Today regret to join.
Starting at 2:00 am is too hard to join.

Best,

Junko Kamata
Voyager Japan, Inc

2018年11月6日(火) 16:21 AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>:
Sorry missing line for item 1) Back from TPAC Lyon 2018: please see Wendy Reid Post at :
https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/11/publishing-at-tpac-2018/<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fblog%2F2018%2F11%2Fpublishing-at-tpac-2018%2F&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Ccdf444da62cc4bca6cb708d643ce6f41%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C1%7C0%7C636770951241310942&sdata=lt3lv5vL2XKteZXjgxGm%2FlCdGTImDp2LqvZYTKUQJvU%3D&reserved=0>

Luc

De : AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
Date : mardi 6 novembre 2018 à 08:09
À : W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
Cc : "McCloy-Kelley, Liisa" <lmccloy-kelley@penguinrandomhouse.com>, "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>
Objet : [PBG] Agenda for 20181106 call : EPUB3.2 REC Track important discussion

Hello W3C Publishing Business Group Members,

Below is the agenda for our call this coming Tuesday, November 6th  to be held at [0].
We hope you will be able to join us!

Please join with EDRLab GoToMeeting [1]  (IRC channel #pbg).

Agenda:

  1.  Back from TPAC Lyon 2018
  2.  EPUB3 Roadmap: plan to promote EPUB3.2 as W3C REC

     *   See my report below
     *   Questions, comments, objections ?
     *   PBG has to give a position before the end of November

  1.  EPUBcheck - Update on Development and Fundraising – please socialize and commit funds! @ [2]

Back from W3C TPAC 2018 in Lyon

Main proposition:

  *   PUBLISHING@W3C envisions EPUB3.2 a W3C recommendation !

Details:

On the Publishing side, Publishing Working Group F2F Monday and Tuesday


  1.  Concerns on EPUB3.2

Now that EPUB 3.2 has been written as a note from the community group (thanks to Dave), questions arise about its promotion and deployment.

  *   EPUB 3.2 promotion clashes with EPUB4 with a time target of Q2 2020, being developed in the Working Group as a profile of Web Publication. EPUB 3.2 is of great help to push publishers to switch to EPUB3 with epubcheck ready in Q2 2019, but this is disturbed by EPUB4 coming 1 year or so after…
  *   On the side of Reading Systems, EPUB3.2 deployment still suffer from issues of interoperability, bugs. There is an urgent need of testing for all features and bug fixing.


  1.  BG priorities for the WG

On Tuesday morning, the Working Group F2F had a session with the Business Group (Liisa and I, co-chairs) asking for priorities.
This moment was rich and disruptive. It did generate a lot of discussions during the following days with the active presence of W3C management, Ralf Swick (COO) and Jeff Jaffé (CEO).
Our Japanese friend Makoto did participate by mail (he read the minutes), and Laurent Le Meur from EDRLab brought also serious propositions. On Wednesday evening, we ended up in a VIP meeting room with Ralph, Liisa, Dave and I to try to wrap up.

In the discussions, 2 important items for the publishing industry were brought up on the table:

  *   The industry desperately need a real standard for audiobooks and EPUB3 isn’t able to do the job
  *   The Asian publishers need absolutely an EPUB3 ISO standard and EPUB3.2 is not recognized as a community group note


  1.  Propositions

To summarize: we envision to make EPUB3.2 a W3C recommendation !


  *   The Working Group will still work on WP with an emphasis on an application to audiobooks as soon as possible

     *   EPUB4 will be postponed and its name less pronounced

  *   The Working Group will also work in parallel to make EPUB 3.2 a W3C REC

     *   There will be no technical change in the EPUB3.2 note from the CG
     *   The charter of the PWG has to be changed to enable EPUB3.2 REC track in parallel to WP

        *   This will take some time and may fail if formal objections are not resolved (need anticipation)
        *   Testing is key : each feature of EPUB has to be implemented in at least 2 Reading System

  *   The Community Group will work already on interoperability (testing, gathering of bugs, etc)

     *   This work will fulfill the need of testing for the REC track

  *   The Business Group will explain to the Publishing industry the global reasons

     *   Technical: improve interoperability and bug fixing
     *   Political: a W3C REC has more power on Reading System developers
     *   Internationalization:  the ISO standard for Asian people will be adopted from W3C REC

        *   it will not be a rewriting by ISO (with a risk of differences)



On behalf of PBG co-chairs,
Luc Audrain

[0] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=W3C+PBG+Meeting+&iso=20181106T12&p1=179&ah=1<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timeanddate.com%2Fworldclock%2Ffixedtime.html%3Fmsg%3DW3C%2BPBG%2BMeeting%2B%26iso%3D20181106T12%26p1%3D179%26ah%3D1&data=02%7C01%7CLAUDRAIN%40hachette-livre.fr%7Ccdf444da62cc4bca6cb708d643ce6f41%7Cf881a2c50a89483181b1c7846c49594d%7C1%7C0%7C636770951241310942&sdata=I0uM0vCGilhFO7VT08%2B11V1Djnx3pfN%2Flu7%2FF1hQwGo%3D&reserved=0>

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