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Re: Question about Educational content structure

From: Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:49:20 -0400
Message-ID: <CALhciFgNcEKv0ZFiUF=9TB1jLb_9PEbDO6Xh9K2ThG4njFnhCA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>
Cc: "PBG Steering Committee (Public)" <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
Agreed. My point was just that this is an example of a publication that
would benefit from being a WP instead of being a scattered collection of
individual resources. It's currently not a "thing" on the web, it's a bunch
of things. But it probably doesn't want to be an EPUB. It's a web
publication, lowercase, right now. The "things" are related but he's
struggling to establish the relationships. That's what a Web Publication
should enable, in a standard way.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:15 PM Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
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> I'm unsure of what the steering committee is supposed to do with
> information like this. A web developer is seeking advice on how to express
> metadata about web content in schema.org. Qualified people are helping
> him. I'm not immediately seeing that the OP is having issues that could be
> helped by things that are in scope for Publishing @ W3C.
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> In some sense this illustrates our fundamental problem: There are likely
> millions of publications on the web already. What is missing from the web
> platform? What types of publications can't happen on the web today? Is that
> because of technical limitations, or is it because the web encourages
> certain business models and discourages others? If stories like this
> actually result in use cases or requirements, that's valuable. But without
> a clearly-identified problem that could better be solved by something in
> our wheelhouse, it's hard to know what to do here.
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> Regards,
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> Dave
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> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thought I'd forward this because it is an example of somebody who needs
>> Web Publications. . . . And maybe the current Web is pretty darn close to
>> accommodating complex publications like this anyhow. . . .
>>
>> There is more of this out there than we are aware of, I bet. And I bet WP
>> is not even on his radar, though he's reaching out to schema.org to
>> address an issue. There should be a standard way to accomplish what he (and
>> plenty of other folks) need to accomplish.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>
>> Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: Question about Educational content structure
>> To: <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
>>
>>
>> The relationship you're after is probably not workExample, unless the
>> video is a representation of the same intellectual content as the textbook
>> but in a different medium.
>>
>> If you consider the test and video to be part of the content of the
>> textbook, use hasPart. We're not paper-bound anymore so it's OK for videos
>> to be parts of books.
>> { ...
>>   "@type": "TextBook",
>>   "hasPart" : {
>>     "@type": "Chapter",
>>     "hasPart": [
>>        { "@type": "Video" },
>>        {
>>         "@type": "CreativeWork",
>>         "learningResourceType": "Assessment"
>>        }
>>     ]
>>   }
>> }
>>
>> If the Video and assessment are not parts of the textbook then (as far as
>> schema.org is concerned) they're just other stand-alone but linked
>> resources.
>>
>> A couple of things you might be interested in are:
>>
>> - K12OCX <https://k12ocx.github.io/k12ocx-specs/>, a spec for marking up
>> complex learning content such as courses (textbooks are similar)
>>
>> - some ongoing efforts in LRMI <https://www.dublincore.org/about/lrmi/>
>> to define a concept scheme for learning resource types
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pTZd1AQMdh52otziC_s_-iE3JZOPHSVOP_6D7Bk247I/edit#heading=h.dbbp5570samf>
>> (sorry, you'll have to trawl the DC-LRMI Task Group mail archive
>> <https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=DC-LRMI> for discussions
>> about that and why we avoid terms like 'video' and 'text')
>>
>> Phil (convenor of DCMI Learning Resource Metadata Initiative task group)
>> On 14/08/2019 11:06, Ghaulser Rigoti wrote:
>>
>> I have a web site for educational content. Since we use Book type in the
>> home page and chapter in the pages, I would like to know the best way to
>> descrive the links of the page. Like: I have in the chapter page a link to
>> another webpage with exercises, another link to a youtube video, another
>> link to a podcast... all of those resources are in external sites. So, from
>> my page, how do I have to do the relation ship?
>>
>> The json-ld for the pages are
>> {
>>   .
>>   .
>>   .
>>   "workExample":  [
>>     {
>>       "@type": "CreativeWork",
>>       "url": "www.example.com/exercise",
>>       "learningResourceType": "Test",
>>     },
>>     {
>>       "@type": "CreativeWork",
>>       "url": "www.example.com/video <http://www..example.com/video>",
>>       "learningResourceType": "Video"
>>     },
>>   ]
>>   .
>>   .
>>   .
>> }
>>
>> Is it correct to do it in this way? Any Suggestion?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --
>>
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