Re: OCF for Packaging (was Re: [AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14)

I agree Brady…

But OCF is *NOT* an ISO spec, it’s an IDPF spec (see my link).  And I would assume that IDPF specs are owned nowadays by the W3C – so it’s changing a W3C spec.

Leonard

From: Brady Duga <duga@google.com>
Date: Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:31 PM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Cc: Garth Conboy <garth@google.com>, "Reid, Wendy" <wendy.reid@rakuten.com>, W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Subject: Re: OCF for Packaging (was Re: [AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14)

But changing one thing in an ISO spec is largely as difficult as changing N things. I think the difficulty is going from N == 0 to N > 0 when it comes to changes.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:27 PM Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
Sorry I missed the meeting today, but I just reviewed the minutes (where I came up a few times 😊).

As I have previously stated, I also would support a revision to OCF (call it whatever you want) that addresses the primary issue with it today – the removal of the mandatory mimetype file.  That file and it’s requirement to be the first file in the package/archive (<http://www.idpf.org/epub/31/spec/epub-ocf.html#sec-zip-container-mime<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idpf.org%2Fepub%2F31%2Fspec%2Fepub-ocf.html%23sec-zip-container-mime&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Cd3ad17157eeb492db60f08d65eef426d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636800779058020315&sdata=1fJsZ2LR8O0epOM3cKi9Zd3bCuucETbXEdW%2Fcr7lZmc%3D&reserved=0>>) is the only thing that you need to change with OCF to make it usable going forward.   And just changing the MUST to a MAY is all you need to do to make it happen – it’s that simple!

Leonard

From: Garth Conboy <garth@google.com<mailto:garth@google.com>>
Date: Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:42 PM
To: "Reid, Wendy" <wendy.reid@rakuten.com<mailto:wendy.reid@rakuten.com>>
Cc: W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: [AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14
Resent-From: <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:41 PM

Regrets.  In the air.

But, to paraphrase Trump (without yet have seen minutes for todays call [also in the air]), "I'm a zip/ocf man" (for this initial application).

Best,
   Garth


On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:18 AM Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com<mailto:wendy.reid@rakuten.com>> wrote:
Correction:
Time and Date Link: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=AudioTF&iso=20181214T10&p1=250&ah=1<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timeanddate.com%2Fworldclock%2Ffixedtime.html%3Fmsg%3DAudioTF%26iso%3D20181214T10%26p1%3D250%26ah%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7Cd3ad17157eeb492db60f08d65eef426d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636800779058020315&sdata=nqBlQxko6D3XIcQ6bh6yzTg%2FUntAJLvKF0aYnKkvjMg%3D&reserved=0>

From: "Reid, Wendy" <wendy.reid@rakuten.com<mailto:wendy.reid@rakuten.com>>
Date: Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM
To: W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Subject: [AudioTF] Agenda 2018-12-14
Resent-From: <public-publ-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:41 PM

Hello everyone,

The Audiobooks Taskforce (AudioTF) will be meeting Friday, December 14th at 10AM EST [0]. Call details are at the bottom of the email.

Agenda:

  1.  Approve Minutes from last session [1]
  2.  Packaging re: PWG discussion of Dec 10 [2]
  3.  AOB
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