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Re: [Admin] PWP vs. WP design (was Re: Identifying a book on the Web today)

From: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 06:44:36 +0900
Message-ID: <CALvn5EC3_6rxtfurywkdTVU148zmProCWb+w=U7BiL70U-gt6Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Ivan and Laurent,

I raised some github issues.

Ivan, thank you for your clarification.  Indeed, there will be a lot of
open issues in the First Public Working Drafts.

I have been concerned that the manifest format (and the predecessor, BFF)
would be finished without having a big picture for the unification of the
Web world and the EPUB world.  If the WP and PWP FPWDs do not provide
details of the manifest format, I am happy with your scenario.

Regards,
Makoto


2017-08-04 22:08 GMT+09:00 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>:

> (Changed the subject line a bit)
>
> Makoto,
>
>
> On 4 Aug 2017, at 15:00, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> wrote:
>
> Laurent,
>
> I am responding one of your comments.
>
> I thought that we agreed to tackle the WP spec and then the PWP spec, but
> I did not think that we are going to ignore PWP during the design of WP.
>
>
> at the moment, the goal is to produce First Public Working Drafts. These
> are _not_ final specifications, very far from it; these are mostly outlines
> for the main areas, stakes in the ground, so to say, with possibly
> (probably) lots of open issues. Some of those sections may have more
> technical  content, some of them may not. We also agreed that we would
> consider the main outlines of WP first and then PWP. This does not mean
> _finalizing_ anything before the other.
>
> To touch upon Laurent's other comment: I believe it is way better to
> record open specific issues in github, rather than having disparate email
> discussions. We may or may not discuss the issues right now, but by virtue
> of being explicitly raised we can be sure that, eventually, those question
> will be dealt with. Your latest question about multiple URL-s on the same
> resource is a typical example for this.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Cheers
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
>
> My
> interpretation may well be incorrect.  But I think that finishing WP
> without
> considering PWP will lead to the separation of the Web world and the EPUB
> world.
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
> 2017-08-04 19:42 GMT+09:00 Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>:
>
>> Dear Makoto,
>>
>> From my remote island, I will have three comments:
>> - The title of this thread (Identifying a book on the Web today) and the
>> issue of URLs for resources embedded in a PWP are not related, which makes
>> following threads (and searching in threads in the future) rather hard.
>> - we agreed to tackle issues with PWPs after WPs are clear. Your issue
>> definitely seems to be related with PWPs.
>> - I still don't see why *all* discussions have moved from github to
>> emails. The expected split btw generic and specific discussions, envisaged
>> by Tzviya initially if I recall well, does not work in practice IMHO.
>>
>> Best,
>> Laurent
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 4 août 2017 à 12:05, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> a écrit
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-04 18:37 GMT+09:00 Hadrien Gardeur <hadrien.gardeur@feedbooks.com
>> >:
>>
>>> For PWP the situation is a little bit more complex because the package
>>>> may be 'elsewhere', ie, not on the Web but, if we regard (which I think is
>>>> the case) a PWP some sort of a frozen version of a WP through some
>>>> packaging, then the internal structure of a PWP would 100% reflect its
>>>> 'exploded' WP ancestry.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line: I do not see the problem. But that may only be me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For a PWP that has a WP ancestry, this is fairly easy to handle and we
>>> can simply references all resources using their URL, no matter the context
>>> (packaged or not).
>>> For PWP with no prior WP ancestry, this might be more difficult, but I
>>> don't think that this is an issue that needs to be addressed now.
>>>
>>
>> I do not think so.  I think that this issue is extremely important for
>> the unification of EPUB and the Web.  To me, details of manifests
>> are much less important.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Makoto
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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>
> Makoto
>
>
>
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Makoto
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