Re: FAQ entry on influence/inform (ISSUE-592)

Hi Simon,


On 1 April 2013 11:00, Miles, Simon <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Khalid,
>
> OK. That is not how I have understood things from the DM.
>
> The DM says "A Usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, attribution, association, and delegation is also an influence. It is recommended to adopt these more specific relations when writing provenance descriptions. It is anticipated that the Influence relation may be useful to express queries over provenance information."  If you are correct that influence could be used to express provenance relationships between entities that derivation could not capture, then why would we be recommending not to use it?
>
> Can you give me an example of a relationship between entities that is an >influence but not a derivation?

That was not what I said. What I said (or at least meant) is that the
wording of the last sentence in your entry may suggest for the reader
that derivation is used
to express influence between entities. While derivation entails
influence, it is also used to express entity transformations that are
captured by influence.

Best,
khalid


>
> thanks,
> Simon
>
> Dr Simon Miles
> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>
> Evolutionary Testing of Autonomous Software Agents:
> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1370/
>
> ________________________________________
> From: kbelhajj@googlemail.com [kbelhajj@googlemail.com] on behalf of Khalid Belhajjame [Khalid.Belhajjame@cs.man.ac.uk]
> Sent: 29 March 2013 18:25
> To: Miles, Simon
> Cc: public-prov-wg@w3.org
> Subject: Re: FAQ entry on influence/inform (ISSUE-592)
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Thanks for the new entry, which I think will be useful.
> Regarding the last sentence, I think it may lead to some
> mis-understanding [1], as the reader may think that derivation is used
> to express influence between entities, whereas it is used to express a
> relation that is stronger than influence.
>
> [1] "For example, if you wish to express the influence of one entity
> on another, this can be done with a wasDerivedFrom relation."
>
> Best,
> khalid
>
> On 27 March 2013 19:32, Miles, Simon <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've made a stab at a FAQ entry for whether to use wasInluencedBy,
>> wasInformedBy or another relation, relating to an old open issue.
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV-FAQ#Should_I_use_wasInfluencedBy.2C_wasInformedBy.2C_or_another_relation.3F
>>
>> Any feedback is welcome.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Simon
>>
>> Dr Simon Miles
>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>>
>> Evolutionary Testing of Autonomous Software Agents:
>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1370/
>
>

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