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Re: PROV-ISSUE-501: Data Model Section 2.1.1, example [prov-dm]

From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:42:18 +0200
Message-ID: <CAJCyKRodKGwRtMiJAWT2FS=3zeWn5uX=j5St2=uWiBWr-ED8_g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Cc: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Maybe I should include the link to the current diff file in the response.

I think in the email response people will want to see where the
changes were made and not just the diff. But I can just include a link
to the current editor's draft and that will resolve it.

cheers
Paul

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> The prov-dm document points to a diff file:
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/diff.html
>
> However, it's accumulated diffs, not diff snapshot for a single issue.
>
> I would have thought it was obvious that we can always go to the
> Editor's draft or the full diff?
>
> Luc
>
> On 26/09/2012 14:08, Paul Groth wrote:
>> Hi Luc,
>>
>> I think this looks much better. I agree in keeping it. I wondered if
>> we should link to the diff or link to the file with the diff so the
>> change can be seen. Essentially, the file looks a lot better than the
>> diff itself.
>>
>> What do you think?
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Luc Moreau<l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have drafted a response to this issue, which you can find on the wiki at
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#ISSUE-501_.28DrivingACarToBoston.29
>>>
>>> I copy it below for your convenience.
>>> Comments? feedback?
>>>
>>> Luc
>>>
>>> ISSUE-501 (DrivingACarToBoston)
>>>
>>> Original email:
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0091.html
>>> Tracker: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/501
>>> Group Response:
>>>
>>> As the author suggests, "driving a car to boston" is an example, and
>>> therefore, needed to be put in a box.
>>> It now appears as example 5, following examples 4 and 3 containing examples
>>> of usage and generation of digital entities.
>>> The author's comment confirms it is important to include this example in
>>> this document. Indeed, the users states that "most people would consider a
>>> single entity (not two or more)", whereas prov modelling requires the "car
>>> at various locations" to be seen as different entities.
>>> In general, we have been careful to limit the number of examples involving
>>> physical entities, however, including a few is important to demonstrate the
>>> generality of the model.
>>>
>>> References:
>>> Implemented change changes:
>>> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/diff/0bbd5b38ab1b/model/prov-dm.html
>>> Original author's acknowledgement:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/09/2012 09:33, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>>
>>> PROV-ISSUE-501: Data Model Section 2.1.1, example [prov-dm]
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/501
>>>
>>> Raised by: Luc Moreau
>>> On product: prov-dm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/LC_Feedback#Data_Model_Section_2.1.1.2C_example
>>>
>>> ISSUE-463
>>>
>>> The example of driving a car from Boston to Cambridge is not intuitive to
>>> most readers and does not highlight the strengths of the PROV model. The
>>> example focuses on the relocation of a physical object, which most people
>>> would consider a single entity (not two or more). The examples later in the
>>> spec use document editing, which is a straightforward example that will be
>>> very intuitive to readers. I suggest replacing the car example with a
>>> document example, which would also be more consistent with the rest of the
>>> spec.
>>>
>>> Note: This example should also be contained within an "example" box rather
>>> than as part of the text.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>
>



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- The Network Institute
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