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Re: PROV-ISSUE-497: prov-dm: Data Model Figure 1 [prov-dm]

From: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:25:43 +0100
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To: Khalid Belhajjame <Khalid.Belhajjame@cs.man.ac.uk>, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi all,

Here is a draft response on this issue 
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#ISSUE-497_.28Figure_1.29
Feedback appreciated.

Regards,
Luc


      ISSUE-497 (Figure 1)

    * Original email:
      http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0087.html
    * Tracker: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/497
    * Group Response
          o The Working Group is very keen to keep Figure 1 uncluttered.
          o It is acknowledged that a mapping from relation names to
            corresponding concepts is required. This is the purpose of
            table 2, which follows directly Figure 1.
          o Given this, the group feels that no change is required.
    * References:
          o Discussion thread on this issue:
    * Changes to the document: none
    * Original author's acknowledgement:


    [edit
    <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/index.php?title=ResponsesToPublicComments&action=edit&section=35>]



On 26/09/2012 11:08, Luc Moreau wrote:
>
> All,
> I see some strong push back on this.
> Thank you I will draft a response.
> Luc
>
> On 26/09/2012 10:39, Khalid Belhajjame wrote:
>> I think that putting both concept names and relation names in the
>> Figure will be confusing for people, and Table 1 is just next to
>> Figure 1, so there is no need to clutter Figure 1.
>>
>> Regards, khalid
>>
>>
>> On 25 September 2012 19:28, Paul Groth<p.t.groth@vu.nl>  wrote:
>>> Akk, no! - leave it as is.
>>>
>>> I *love* Figure 1 - to me this is the "see PROV is super simple" 
>>> figure.
>>>
>>> It's like the first thing I begin with every time I introduce the 
>>> model.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Luc 
>>> Moreau<l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>  wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am seeking the group's view on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> Figure 1 http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#prov-core-structures uses 
>>>> labels
>>>> "WasGeneratedBy, ...
>>>> for edges (corresponding to prov:wasGeneratedBy in prov-o or
>>>> wasGeneratedBy in prov-n).
>>>>
>>>> Table 2 http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#overview-types-and-relations 
>>>> maps
>>>> concepts Generation, ...
>>>> to names.
>>>>
>>>> The reviewer suggest that concepts names are put next to relation 
>>>> names
>>>> in Figure 1.
>>>>
>>>> I fear this may clutter the diagram.  However, if the group is happy
>>>> with this, I will implement it.
>>>>
>>>> Can you express your views?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Luc
>>>>
>>>> On 10/09/2012 09:30, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-497: prov-dm: Data Model Figure 1 [prov-dm]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/497
>>>>>
>>>>> Raised by: Luc Moreau
>>>>> On product: prov-dm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/LC_Feedback#Data_Model_Figure_1
>>>>>
>>>>> ISSUE-463
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the following sections are organized by "PROV concept" 
>>>>> (e.g., Generation), it would help the reader if those terms were 
>>>>> included in the relationship labels along with the names (e.g., 
>>>>> wasGeneratedBy).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> - Knowledge Representation&  Reasoning Group |
>>>    Artificial Intelligence Section | Department of Computer Science
>>> - The Network Institute
>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>>
>

-- 
Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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