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Re: alternate of and sambas

From: Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:18:45 -0400
Message-ID: <CAAtgn=Qqob92+zDFQgifOHcuGk6VxwwDpfuTHLbzxTG_nDf2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Graham Klyne <graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
You are correct. Like I said, the identity semantics of concepts are very
slippery and tricky, so it's not worth actually mapping.

Jim

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Graham Klyne <graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk>wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I would be very wary of making formal associations with the SKOS vocab -
> per my understanding, SKOS is by design very loose (to the extent that by
> itself it effectively has no formal semantics or inferential power) - it is
> intended to support information retrieval applications rather than
> inference or formal descriptions.
>
> So to say, for example, that specializationOf is a superproperty of
> skos:broaderTransitive is to say it's effectively semantics-free, which is
> not how I see it.
>
>
> #g
> --
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2012 17:33, Jim McCusker wrote:
>
>> I think it's a generalization of exactMatch and closeMatch.
>> specializationOf is, to my eye, a superproperty of skos:broaderTransitive.
>> Concepts are a little different, since they can be much fuzzier than
>> things
>> in the world. Is a narrower concept in any sense the same "thing" as it's
>> broader counterpart? I predicted something like this (but not quite) in a
>> 2010 OWLed paper, that we would need something like SKOS for
>> non-conceptual
>> things:
>>
>> http://www.webont.org/owled/**2010/papers/owled2010_**submission_12.pdf<http://www.webont.org/owled/2010/papers/owled2010_submission_12.pdf>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Interesting comment. I changed subject lines to disconnect it from the
>>> other thread. How do you think prov:alternateOf compliments the
>>> mappings predicates in skos?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:53 AM, James Cheney <jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The alternateOf relation is provided mainly for complex scenarios
>>>>> involving things that change over time, and is not one of the core
>>>>> relationships that casual users of PROV will employ routinely.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would actually like to see the linked data community adopt alternateOf
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> place of owl:sameAs for their work. It's a reasonable replacement, as
>>>> alternateOf is effectively a superproperty of sameAs. If that happens,
>>>> it
>>>> would be the most-used concept from PROV! This is a separate discussion,
>>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>> I think it's important to keep this in mind when we discuss it.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>> --
>>>> Jim McCusker
>>>> Programmer Analyst
>>>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics
>>>> Yale School of Medicine
>>>> james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-4436
>>>> http://krauthammerlab.med.**yale.edu<http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu>
>>>>
>>>> PhD Student
>>>> Tetherless World Constellation
>>>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>>>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu
>>>> http://tw.rpi.edu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>


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Jim McCusker
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Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics
Yale School of Medicine
james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-4436
http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu

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