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Re: prov-dm, prov-n, prov-constraints preliminary staging

From: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:21:54 +0000
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Hi Simon,

Thanks for the suggestion, which I have adopted.

Luc

On 22/11/12 20:51, Miles, Simon wrote:
> "forms of influence"?
>
> I agree it is difficult to express informal inheritance without implying formal inheritance, which I guess is the issue here. But the current wording states equivalence, e.g. that usage *is* influence, which surely cannot be correct.
>
> How about just changing the plural to singular, as below? This is at least grammatical, and hopefully retains the intended meaning.
>
> "A usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, attribution, association, or delegation is also an influence."
> "A specialization is not, as defined here, also an influence."
>
> Sorry I did not spot and raise this before.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 22 Nov 2012, at 20:22, "Luc Moreau" <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon
>>
>> Again approved by group.
>>
>> We had to stay away from 'kind of' and 'subtype' because they imply (according to reviewer) inheritance and we don't have inheritance.
>>
>> I am happy with any phrasing that stays away from inheritance. The ones you suggested imply inheritance.
>>
>> Professor Luc Moreau
>> Electronics and Computer Science
>> University of Southampton
>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>> United Kingdom
>>
>> On 22 Nov 2012, at 20:13, "Miles, Simon" <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Luc,
>>>
>>> The statement you quote also does not make sense, and is not grammatical. Nothing can "be influence" except influence or a synonym of it. They could be "influences", but I don't think this is what is intended. Again, I assume what is meant is that they are "kinds of influence"?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 22 Nov 2012, at 17:39, "Luc Moreau" <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>
>>>> I want to be able to contrast the sentence we are discussing with:
>>>>
>>>> "Usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation,
>>>> attribution, association, and delegation are also influence."
>>>>
>>>> Luc
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2012 05:32 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>>>>> Hi Luc,
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. It is the phrasing that is odd. I have no problem with "defined as" in itself, but the phrase "defined as Influence", as this does not seem meaningful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given what you say, would one of the following be OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> Specialization is not defined as a subtype of Influence
>>>>> Specialization is not defined as a kind of Influence
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Simon
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Nov 2012, at 17:24, "Luc Moreau" <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's one of the changes approved as part of ISSUE-525.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We, in prov-dm, do not define specialization as an influence. Others may
>>>>>> do, and we don't disallow it.
>>>>>> So I wouldn't want to say that specialization is not a sub-type of
>>>>>> Influence, since this seems
>>>>>> to prevent others from doing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Luc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/22/2012 03:53 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>>>>>>> Section 5.5.1: "Specialization is not defined as Influence" sounds odd, and I'm not sure what it means. Do you mean "Specialization is not a kind of Influence" or "Specialization is not a sub-type of Influence"? The same issue applies in Sections 5.5.2 and 5.6.2 for Alternate and MemberOf.
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>> -- 
>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>

-- 
Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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