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Re: Please approve this draft PROV-O response by Tuesday 5pm GMT

From: Satya Sahoo <satya.sahoo@case.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:26:39 -0500
Message-ID: <CAOMwk6xg_VN-Lfn0_W_eWkvRNmfttALszzDwFt-iMRBfdBJk4w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu>
Cc: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
+1

Satya


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu> wrote:

> +1
>
> Stephan
>
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>  +1 from me too.
>
> Luc
>
> On 11/05/2012 02:30 PM, Paul Groth wrote:
>
> +1 good response, Tim
>
>  Paul
>
> On Nov 5, 2012, at 5:55, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>   prov-wg,
>
>  Your approval is needed for the draft response to issue 552.
>
>  The response is at
> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#ISSUE-552_.28Influence_subclasses.29
>
>  and is copied below.
>
>  Please raise objections before tomorrow 5pm UK time, so that we can
> close this out before the F2F.
>
>  Regards,
> Tim
>
>   ISSUE-552 (Influence subclasses)
>
>    - Original email:
>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-comments/2012Sep/0000.html
>    - Tracker: https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/552
>    - Group Response:
>       - On "subclassing Influence":
>          - The WG agrees with the suggestion that the phrase "a
>          particular case of derivation" should be expressed using rdfs:subClassOf.
>          - Since the prov-dm's definitions for revision, quotation, and
>          primary source mention that they are "particular case[s] of derivation",
>          then it follows that each should be subclasses in the PROV-O encoding. We
>          changed PROV-O to include these three classes as a subclass of Derivation.
>          - The WG aggress with the reviewer that "a kind of" is a more
>          natural phrasing than "a particular case", and so we have adopted it as
>          suggested.
>        - On the phrasing of definitions:
>          - It was pointed out that the definitions for
>          "{Entity,Agent,Activity}Influence" are inconsistent with that of their
>          parent class "Influence".
>          - The source of this inconsistency is that
>          {Entity,Agent,Activity}Influence are not defined by prov-dm, but by prov-o
>          as artifacts of encoding prov-dm's model into the paradigm of OWL (i.e.,
>          the use of the qualification pattern to describe binary relations).
>          - The inconsistent definitions were "demoted" to rdfs:comments
>          because they focus too heavily on the RDF and OWL paradigm and not enough
>          on how they are expressing the abstract model of prov-dm.
>          - New definitions were created to align with their parent class,
>          with a focus on how the classes are expressing the abstract model of
>          prov-dm.
>        - On the inconsistency of subclasses according to "general
>       understanding of the english terms":
>          - The reviewer points out that the definitions of Influence,
>          EntityInfluence, and Start illustrate an inconsistency: "influence is a
>          capacity, an entity influence is a provider (of descriptions) and a start
>          is a "when" (a time)".
>          - The WG acknowledges that the definitions as shown support this
>          concern.
>          - The inconsistency between Influence and its immediate
>          subclasses {Entity,Agent,Activity}Influence is addressed by the response to
>          the earlier comment ("phrasing of definitions").
>          - To address the inconsistency between {Influence,
>          {Entity,Agent,Activity}Influence} and {Start,End}, PROV-DM updated the
>          definitions for Start and End:
>             - *Start is when an activity is deemed to have been started
>             by an an entity, known as trigger . The activity did not exist before its
>             start. Any usage, generation, or invalidation involving an activity follows
>             the activity's start. A start may refer to a trigger entity that set off
>             the activity, or to an activity, known as starter , that generated the
>             trigger.* ref<http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/1e5d261d1c85/model/prov-dm.html#term-Start>
>             - *End is when an activity is deemed to have been ended by an
>             entity, known as trigger . The activity no longer exists after its end. Any
>             usage, generation, or invalidation involving an activity precedes the
>             activity's end. An end may refer to a trigger entity that terminated the
>             activity, or to an activity, known as ender that generated the trigger.
>             * ref<http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/1e5d261d1c85/model/prov-dm.html#concept-end>
>             - References:
>    - Changes to the document:
>       - prov-dm updated the definitions<http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/363ce30cec66> for
>       revision, quotation, and primary source to reinforce that each is a
>       relation.
>       - prov-o changed <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/337e097e37e9> to
>       add axioms:
>          - prov:Revision rdfs:subClassOf prov:Derivation .
>          - prov:PrimarySource rdfs:subClassOf prov:Derivation .
>          - prov:Quotation rdfs:subClassOf prov:Derivation .
>        - prov-o "demoted" the original definitions of
>       {Entity,Agent,Activity}Influence to rdfs:comments.
>       - prov-o created new definitions for
>       {Entity,Agent,Activity}Influence to align with their parent class
>       definition.
>       - prov-o removed existing comments on
>       {Entity,Agent,Activity}Influence that were very similar to the new "prov-dm
>       centric" definitions. The removed comments had more of an OWL flavor to
>       them instead of an abstract flavor. For example, the following comment was
>       removed:
>          - "ActivityInfluence is intended to be a general subclass of
>          Influence of an Activity. It is a superclass for more specific kinds of
>          Influences (e.g. Generation, Communication, and Invalidation)." in favor of
>          the definition "ActivitiyInfluence is the capacity an activity to have an
>          effect on the character, development, or behavior of another by means of
>          generation, invalidation, communication, or other."
>        - The latest draft <http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/prov-o> of
>       the PROV-O html document reflects the definitions changed in the PROV-O OWL
>       file:
>          - http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/prov-o#EntityInfluence,
>          - http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/prov-o#ActivityInfluence,
>          - http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/prov-o#AgentInfluence
>        - PROV-DM's new definition for Start<http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/1e5d261d1c85/model/prov-dm.html#term-Start> ->
>       PROV-O's new definition for Start<http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/prov-o#Start>
>       - PROV-DM's new definition for End<http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/1e5d261d1c85/model/prov-dm.html#concept-end> ->
>       PROV-O's new definition for End<http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/prov-o#End>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Sep 13, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker <
> sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
>
> PROV-ISSUE-552 (subclass-prov-o): Check subclass definitions in prov-o
> [Ontology]
>
> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/552
>
> Raised by: Paul Groth
> On product: Ontology
>
> See email from Alan Ruttenberg
>
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