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RE: PROV-ISSUE-574 (primer-figure): Update primer overview figure [Primer]

From: Miles, Simon <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:22:52 +0000
To: Provenance Working Group <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <830EEE5C741ED54EAB28EBACFFC77984EEBA8044FE@KCL-MAIL04.kclad.ds.kcl.ac.uk>
Hello,

I have updated the primer overview figure as discussed, to be a reduced version of the PROV-O figure.

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/primer/Primer.html

Unless there are objections, I will close the issue.

thanks,
Simon

Dr Simon Miles
Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
+44 (0)20 7848 1166

Efficient Multi-Granularity Service Composition:
http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1396/
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From: Miles, Simon [simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk]
Sent: 17 October 2012 17:05
To: Provenance Working Group
Subject: RE: PROV-ISSUE-574 (primer-figure): Update primer overview figure    [Primer]

Hi Luc,

OK, I agree that's a good argument. I'll keep wasDerivedFrom, but remove wasInformedBy and actedOnBehalfOf.

thanks,
Simon

Dr Simon Miles
Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
+44 (0)20 7848 1166

Mapping Dublin Core (Attribution Metadata) to the Open Provenance Model:
http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1386/
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From: Luc Moreau [L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
Sent: 17 October 2012 16:57
To: Miles, Simon
Cc: Provenance Working Group
Subject: Re: PROV-ISSUE-574 (primer-figure): Update primer overview figure   [Primer]

Hi Simon
For many people usage/generation would look secondary to derivation. I still think its awkward not to have it in a first picture.  We know that many people take a data flow oriented view rather than process oriented. By not showing derivation, they may think PROV is not for them.

Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
Southampton SO17 1BJ
United Kingdom


On 17 Oct 2012, at 16:33, "Miles, Simon" <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi Luc,
>
> I suppose it depends what you think is critical to introducing the model. In reading the primer, some people will have no idea at all about what form PROV might take. I think the figure should just be setting them up with enough context to understand the introductory text below. Even just showing an entity, an activity and an agent would be enough to start people thinking in the right way, but a few relations need to be shown to indicate that the model is of graph/relational form. The role of the figure in the primer is different to that in PROV-DM or PROV-O, and it is not meant to cover all key concepts, because what 'key' means depends on the audience. PROV-DM and PROV-O differ from the primer in having concepts grouped into sections, so there is some defined notion of the core parts of the model in those documents.
>
> thanks,
> Simon
>
> Dr Simon Miles
> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>
> Mapping Dublin Core (Attribution Metadata) to the Open Provenance Model:
> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1386/
> ________________________________________
> From: Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> Sent: 16 October 2012 23:26
> To: public-prov-wg@w3.org
> Subject: Re: PROV-ISSUE-574 (primer-figure): Update primer overview figure  [Primer]
>
> Hi Simon,
> Isn't it strange to drop wasDerivedFrom from this picture?
> Luc
>
> On 16/10/12 18:53, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>> PROV-ISSUE-574 (primer-figure): Update primer overview figure [Primer]
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/574
>>
>> Raised by: Simon Miles
>> On product: Primer
>>
>> Paul: "At the last call, we decided that for reasons of consistency the upper
>> case names in the figure were just weird. The group suggested you use
>> the prove-o figure from the starting points modified to remove the
>> start and end time bits."
>>
>> Simon: "I suggest that I go further and remove some other relations from the figure: wasInformedBy, wasDerivedFrom and actedOnBehalfOf. This is because, first, the primer does not illustrate the use of wasInformedBy, so it is odd to have in the figure and, second, I think this first figure in the primer should be as simple as possible while giving an intuitive context.
>>
>> The figure would then show: Agent, Entity, Activity, wasGeneratedBy, used, wasAssociatedWith, wasAttributedTo. I think this is enough to give readers a broad starting idea of where we're coming from."
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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