Re: prov-wg: Another name for Qualified?

On Feb 18, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Luc Moreau wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2012, at 01:03, "Timothy Lebo" <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
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>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Luc Moreau wrote:
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>>> It parses Asn, generates XML, json, and rdf (partially, sine yesterday)
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>> Cool. What's the best way to get started with the toolbox?
>> How to run it, etc.
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> I will create a command line executable and readme next week.

I look forward to trying it out.

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>>>> I'd ask someone else to start the ASN collection, since I failed to get traction the first time around.
>>>> Apparently my organization wasn't intuitive.
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>>> I think you were ahead of us,  we are just catching Up. Maybe you could explain again your structure and how we should use it.
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>> My explanation has been at http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PROV_OWL_ontology_components#Example_instance_data
>> perhaps someone could review and provide feedback?
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> Will do that too.
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Thanks.

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>>>>>> In particular, I'm concerned about situations where prov:entity references the subject of the qualified involvement, because it would break the underlying guidance from rdf:Statement.
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>>>>>> Is it possible to have prov:entity refer to the subject? Revisions? qualified derivations? I've said this before, but I hope it isn't possible because some Activity should be used instead.
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>>>>> Isn't the class  Involvement too broad in its current form?
>>>>> Shouldn't the pattern be reused under a different name for
>>>>> Entity-entity relations and activity-activity relations?
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>>>> I very much like this suggestion.
>>>> By "too broad in its current form", do you mean the 1) OWL axioms defining it, 2) its use, or 3) its naming?
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>>>> I've had the following in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/8c14d0798b20/ontology/components/QualifiedInvolvement.ttl since Dec 02 2011
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>>> I was not familiar with this file.  It's not part of the provOntology.owl file :-(
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>> Victim of design by committee :-/
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> Is there a plan to align the owl file with your component approach?

No, it didn't get traction.
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PROV_OWL_ontology_components

> Coming back to Ivan's comment, is it an RL profile?

At this point, it's my running version-controlled notes on what I think the axioms should be.


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>>> This starts to make more sense to me, now, thanks!
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>>> So , to check if understand, would you see prov:Inform ( I think it's the class for wasInformedBy property) to be a subclass of ActivityInvolvement?
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>> Yup! I've added that to http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/739984da9cbe/ontology/components/Involvement.ttl
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> It seems that 'subclass activityInvolvement' stayed in your keyboard ;-)

Thanks for pointing that out.
I pried it out of the keyboard and placed into the file.
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/3505d506d5aa/ontology/components/Involvement.ttl


-Tim