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Re: PROV-ISSUE-239 (TLebo): is wasGeneratedBy(e) meaningful? [prov-dm]

From: Paolo Missier <Paolo.Missier@ncl.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 08:01:26 +0000
Message-ID: <4F30DA56.3090602@ncl.ac.uk>
To: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
CC: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Tim

what I meant is that the def. should not make it optional.

wasGeneratedBy([],e) seems uninformative.

The argument that you could have a timestamp brings us back to the F2F discussion on separating "at" from "by" everywhere:

wasGeneratedAt(), wasGeneratedB(),
wasStartedAt(), wasStartedBy()
...

-Paolo


  On 2/7/12 1:20 AM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
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> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Paolo Missier wrote:
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>> The activity should not be optional, surely?
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> But it is!
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> All of the components except entity are optional, so DM lets me say "wasGeneratedBy(e)"
> /wasGeneratedBy(id,e,a,t,attrs)/
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>   * /id/: an /optional/ identifier id identifying the generation record;
>   * /entity/: an identifier e identifying an entity record that represents the entity that is created;
>   * /activity/: an /optional/ identifier a identifying an activity record that represents the activity that creates the entity;
>   * /time/: an /optional/ "generation time" t, the time at which the entity was created;
>   * /attributes/: an /optional/ set of attribute-value pairs attrs that describes the modalities of generation of this entity by
>     this activity.
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> so the activity _must_ be there, and if it's not named then we _must_ name one?
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> If so, then how do we tell the difference between that kind of optional and the truly optional references?
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> -Tim
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>> -Paolo
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>> On 2/6/12 9:19 PM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>> PROV-ISSUE-239 (TLebo): is wasGeneratedBy(e) meaningful? [prov-dm]
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>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/239
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>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo
>>> On product: prov-dm
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>>> Everything but entity is OPTIONAL in wasGeneratedBy.
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>>> If I say only wasGeneratedBy(e), what did I say? And why was I allowed to say it?
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>>> from WD3:
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>>> A generation record, written wasGeneratedBy(id,e,a,t,attrs) in PROV-ASN, has the following components:
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>>>     id: an optional identifier id identifying the generation record;
>>>     entity: an identifier e identifying an entity record that represents the entity that is created;
>>>     activity: an optional identifier a identifying an activity record that represents the activity that creates the entity;
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>> Paolo Missier - Paolo.Missier@newcastle.ac.uk <mailto:Paolo.Missier@newcastle.ac.uk>, pmissier@acm.org <mailto:pmissier@acm.org>
>> School of Computing Science, Newcastle University,  UK
>> http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/Paolo.Missier
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Paolo Missier - Paolo.Missier@newcastle.ac.uk, pmissier@acm.org
School of Computing Science, Newcastle University,  UK
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Received on Tuesday, 7 February 2012 08:08:18 GMT

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