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Re: PROV-ISSUE-29 (mutual-iVP-of): can two bobs be mutually "IVP of" each other [Conceptual Model]

From: Paolo Missier <Paolo.Missier@ncl.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:52:20 +0100
Message-ID: <4F7ABA44.30004@ncl.ac.uk>
To: Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>
CC: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>, Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>, ProvenanceWorking Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi Jim,

On 4/2/12 7:29 PM, Jim McCusker wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     On 2 Apr 2012, at 18:54, "Jim McCusker" <mccusj@rpi.edu <mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         2. Is alternate reflexive or not?  With time based definition it seems it is. With specialisation based definition it
>>         seems it may not be (depends whether any entity is always a specialisation of some entity)
>>
>>
>>     I think that it's okay for alternate to be reflexive. The controversy was whether or not specialization is.
>     Reflexivity is not obvious with your definition.  Since for alternateOf (e,e) to hold, e needs to be specialisation of an
>     entity. Is it?
>
>
> Good point. I'll leave it up to those who wish to have reflexivity for alternateOf to make their case.
this is only an issue if alternate is defined in terms of specialization, because it implies that alternates have a common ancestor 
and thus there is a "top" of any specialization hierarchy.  If we were to adopt James' proposal and make the two relations 
independent of each other, then this is no longer required, and there is an easier decision to be made. In this case, reflexivity is 
consistent with the definition: "alternateOf means that the two entities refer to the same changeable-thing"  (interval overlapping 
condition removed) and I don't see a problem with it.

--Paolo

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> Jim
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