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Re: PROV-ISSUE-90 (namespace-in-ontology): Namespace used in ontology [Formal Model]

From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:13:17 +0200
Message-ID: <4E9FE62D.9070605@vu.nl>
To: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
CC: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
I agree absolutely here. I would like to see one URL for the major 
concepts in the data model. It's weird to have two "official" urls.

I wonder how we can do this?

Can we not just have /ns/prov ?

cheers,
Paul

Luc Moreau wrote:
> Hi Graham
> Response interleaved.
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> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science
> University of Southampton
> Southampton SO17 1BJ
> United Kingdom
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> On 19 Oct 2011, at 16:53, "Graham Klyne"<GK@ninebynine.org>  wrote:
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>> On 12/10/2011 14:51, Luc Moreau wrote:
>>> Recommended by Ivan.
>> Quite - let W3C staff handle namespace URI formats :)
>>
>>> I suggest you follow the same approach /ns/prov-o
>> But here I sense a possible problem.  Why do we need a different namespace for the ontology and DM, when they are essentially descriptions of the same things/concetps?  (There may be some additional "glue" URIs in the ontology, but I'd expect everything (or almost everything) identified as part of the DM to be formally described in the ontology.)
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> I am in agreement with the spirit of this proposal. It is expressed as the fourth interoperability proposal we discussed at the last call. As a WG we need to find technical ways of making this possible.
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> Luc
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>> The problem here is illustrated by the very existence of this agendum in the recent OWL group discussions: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2011-10-17#Adding_missing_PROV-DM_terms_to_PROV-O  (thanks for the notes guys!)
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>> #g
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>>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 14:48, "Stian Soiland-Reyes"<soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:40, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker
>>>> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org>   wrote:
>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-90 (namespace-in-ontology): Namespace used in ontology [Formal Model]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/90
>>>>>
>>>>> Raised by: Stian Soiland-Reyes
>>>>> On product: Formal Model
>>>>>
>>>>> The OWL at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl uses the namespace http://w3.org/ProvenanceOntology.owl# which sound quote temporary.
>>>> Reading [1] we should probably go for a namespace like:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/10/prov
>>>>
>>>> We are not following the Pub-rules if we publish a first draft with
>>>> unapproved namespaces.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess we should use http://www.example.com/ for CrimeFile example,
>>>> etc (according to  RFC 2606) as they are not normative.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will need to tell someone important to get the proper webserver
>>>> stuff set up - but I guess before we go to first public draft the
>>>> namespace should be sorted for the ontology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PROV-DM says: [2]
>>>>
>>>>   The PROV-DM namespace is http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dm/ (TBC).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any particular reason this is in /ns/ instead of the /2011/-style?
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri
>>>> [1] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/model/ProvenanceModel.html#prov-dm-namespace
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stian Soiland-Reyes, myGrid team
>>>> School of Computer Science
>>>> The University of Manchester
>>>>
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-- 
Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth
Assistant Professor
Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
Artificial Intelligence Section
Department of Computer Science
VU University Amsterdam
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