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Re: PROV-ISSUE-90 (namespace-in-ontology): Namespace used in ontology [Formal Model]

From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:57:45 +0000
To: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>
CC: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <EMEW3|447820efa7dda873e192f0bfb13284afn9INwC08L.Moreau|ecs.soton.ac.uk|FDF56281-289A-4E33-B208-CC59284C6B47@ecs.soton.ac.uk>

Hi Graham 
Response interleaved.



Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton 
Southampton SO17 1BJ
United Kingdom

On 19 Oct 2011, at 16:53, "Graham Klyne" <GK@ninebynine.org> wrote:

> On 12/10/2011 14:51, Luc Moreau wrote:
>> Recommended by Ivan.
> 
> Quite - let W3C staff handle namespace URI formats :)
> 
>> I suggest you follow the same approach /ns/prov-o
> 
> But here I sense a possible problem.  Why do we need a different namespace for the ontology and DM, when they are essentially descriptions of the same things/concetps?  (There may be some additional "glue" URIs in the ontology, but I'd expect everything (or almost everything) identified as part of the DM to be formally described in the ontology.)



I am in agreement with the spirit of this proposal. It is expressed as the fourth interoperability proposal we discussed at the last call. As a WG we need to find technical ways of making this possible.

Luc

> 
> The problem here is illustrated by the very existence of this agendum in the recent OWL group discussions: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology_Meeting_2011-10-17#Adding_missing_PROV-DM_terms_to_PROV-O  (thanks for the notes guys!)
> 
> #g
> --
> 
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2011, at 14:48, "Stian Soiland-Reyes"<soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:40, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker
>>> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PROV-ISSUE-90 (namespace-in-ontology): Namespace used in ontology [Formal Model]
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/90
>>>> 
>>>> Raised by: Stian Soiland-Reyes
>>>> On product: Formal Model
>>>> 
>>>> The OWL at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl uses the namespace http://w3.org/ProvenanceOntology.owl# which sound quote temporary.
>>> 
>>> Reading [1] we should probably go for a namespace like:
>>> 
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/10/prov
>>> 
>>> We are not following the Pub-rules if we publish a first draft with
>>> unapproved namespaces.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I guess we should use http://www.example.com/ for CrimeFile example,
>>> etc (according to  RFC 2606) as they are not normative.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We will need to tell someone important to get the proper webserver
>>> stuff set up - but I guess before we go to first public draft the
>>> namespace should be sorted for the ontology.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PROV-DM says: [2]
>>> 
>>>  The PROV-DM namespace is http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dm/ (TBC).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any particular reason this is in /ns/ instead of the /2011/-style?
>>> 
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri
>>> [1] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/model/ProvenanceModel.html#prov-dm-namespace
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stian Soiland-Reyes, myGrid team
>>> School of Computer Science
>>> The University of Manchester
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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