Re: PROV-ISSUE-142 (Tlebo): Can roles only be Literals? [Data Model]

The source of ambiguity for me is how literals are interpreted in DM.

If "literal literal literal" in DM means that I can make a URI without violating DM, then I'm happy.

But I get the sense that I would be violating something.

-Tim



On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Luc Moreau wrote:

> Hi Stephan,
> 
> The key thing for me is that it's not an identifier, as explained before.
> 
> It seemed that reusing 'typed literal' would be a good option. I am open
> to any other suggestion.
> 
> Luc
> 
> On 06/11/11 17:22, Stephan Zednik wrote:
>> Does this imply that all qualifiers must be typed literals?
>> 
>> --Stephan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Luc Moreau [mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:00 AM
>> To: Jim McCusker
>> Cc: Provenance Working Group WG
>> Subject: Re: PROV-ISSUE-142 (Tlebo): Can roles only be Literals? [Data
>> Model]
>> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> It is intentionally that we use typed literals here, and not identifiers.
>> 
>> If we allow identifiers, then in effect we would have introduced a new
>> relation;  it would be better defined as prov-dm relation, rather than
>> hidden in a qualifier.
>> 
>> What's wrong with "the role of president"  here?
>> 
>> Luc
>> 
>> On 06/11/11 15:19, Jim McCusker wrote:
>>   
>>> Make Roles resources like Entities. Classes of Roles (Creator,
>>> Publisher, PrincipleInvestigator) are instantiated for each Entity. Of
>>> course, this is rather similar to what's been rejected (?), but is
>>> still the best choice, IMO. This would be, for instance, "Barack
>>> Obama's role as president", as opposed to "the role of president",
>>> which would be a class.
>>> 
>>> Role could also be an extension of skos:Concept and allow you to
>>> express "the role of president" directly without custom instantiation.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Luc Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>>>     
>> wrote:
>>   
>>> 
>>>     
>>>> Ok, so, what's alternative suggestion ?
>>>> 
>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>> Electronics and Computer Science
>>>> University of Southampton
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>>>> United Kingdom
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6 Nov 2011, at 12:59, "Jim McCusker"<mccusj@rpi.edu>   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> This is a misunderstanding of a URI literal versus URI resource.
>>>>> When a URI resource is used, it can link to that resource when it
>>>>> has assertions made about it. This is not possible or intended with
>>>>> URI literals.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Luc Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>>>>>         
>> wrote:
>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>>         
>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But doesn't this include URIs by means of typed literals?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science
>>>>>> University of Southampton
>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>>>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Nov 2011, at 01:20, "Provenance Working Group Issue
>>>>>>           
>> Tracker"<sysbot+tracker@w3.org>   wrote:
>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-142 (Tlebo): Can roles only be Literals? [Data Model]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/142
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo
>>>>>>> On product: Data Model
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> prov-dm, 5.5.1 Qualifier:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "The value associated with a role attribute must be conformant with
>>>>>>>             
>> Literal."
>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Will this prevent PROV-O from using URIs to cite roles?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Restricting roles to literals will be severely limiting for PROV-O and
>>>>>>>             
>> semantic web applications, since literals cannot be described or served as
>> linked data, and thus consumers will be unable to determine more information
>> about what the role means.
>> 
>>   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim McCusker
>>>>> Programmer Analyst
>>>>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics Yale School of Medicine
>>>>> james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-6330
>>>>> http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu
>>>>> 
>>>>> PhD Student
>>>>> Tetherless World Constellation
>>>>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>>>>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu
>>>>> http://tw.rpi.edu
>>>>> 
>>>>>         
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     
>> 
>> 
>>   
> 
> 

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