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Re: PING - please volunteer - Ambient Light Events

From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:28:10 -0800
Cc: erin@elchemy.org, public-privacy@w3.org, wilton@isoc.org
Message-id: <29338E56-9AEB-4E7A-85B6-2D3A3F4ACE7F@apple.com>
To: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com>

On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:16 , "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" <hannes.tschofenig@nsn.com> wrote:

> I think that this spec illustrates quite nicely how useless it is to deal with privacy at the level of each individual specification. 

I don't think it is useless;  there are privacy implications of individual specs as well as privacy implications of putting them together with others.


> 
> Hannes
> 
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> From: ext Erin Kenneally
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> Subject: Re: PING - please volunteer - Ambient Light Events
> 
> I was able to quickly read through the spec wrt privacy and security
> implications, precisely because it is an extract of the larger more
> complicated Sensor API which in and of itself raises no reasonable
> concerns.  The capability *potential* does indeed raise privacy &
> security issues, but the segregation of specific events (ambient light
> being the one in this instance) for implementation simplicity also
> allows precise identification/exclusion of p&s issues.  So, while
> Robin's comments about capabilities will prove to be pertinent in the
> review of other components of the aggregate spec, I think we need to be
> mindful not to lose sight of the impacts of the interaction between
> individual specs... and that can only be done when all components are at
> the table.
> 
> /erin
> 
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> On 12/18/12 5:21 AM, Robin Wilton wrote:
> > I have the following comments on Section 4 - Security and privacy
> > considerations:
> > 
> > 1 - I fully appreciate the point, made elsewhere about security &
> > privacy considerations for specifications in general, that if a spec
> > raises no security & privacy concerns beyond the "normal, generic" ones,
> > there's little benefit in re-stating them in every spec.
> > 
> > 2 -  That said, I think it's just worth noting the following and then,
> > probably, moving on:
> > 
> >   * In itself, an Ambient Light event handling spec raises no specific
> >     privacy/security concerns, but in combination with other kinds of
> >     data, ambient light data could conceivably have privacy/security
> >     implications; 
> >   * The kind of device that contains photosensors/similar detectors and
> >     is capable of implementing such a spec can also reasonably be
> >     expected to have capabilities for network communication and
> >     geo-location, and possibly also image/sound capture. etc.;
> >   * Therefore, although ambient light data in itself is not a
> >     privacy/security concern, it's reasonable to assume that it will be
> >     present in conjunction with networking and geo-location
> >     capabilities, and that a device could be remotely instructed to
> >     report other data (such as location, images, sound, etc.) in
> >     response to an ambient light event;
> >   * This raises the normal set of concerns about whether such behaviour
> >     is evident to the user, whether user consent and control are a
> >     factor, auditability and transparency of the use of such data, and
> >     so on.
> > 
> > 
> > I know these are more to do with the application that *uses* the ambient
> > light capability than the ambient light capability itself, so as I say,
> > this is mainly me throwing in my privacy 2c-worth. Having done so for
> > this spec, I'll try and restrain myself for other specs ;^)
> > 
> > All the best,
> > 
> > Robin
> > 
> > Robin Wilton
> > Technical Outreach Director - Identity and Privacy
> > Internet Society
> > 
> > email: wilton@isoc.org <mailto:wilton@isoc.org>
> > Phone: +44 705 005 2931
> > Twitter: @futureidentity
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 18 Dec 2012, at 07:46, Christine Runnegar wrote:
> > 
> >> Dear all.
> >>
> >> We are looking for 3 (or more) reviewers.
> >>
> >> The draft is available at
> >>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-ambient-light-20121213/
> >>
> >> Deadline for completion of the review is 17 January 2012.
> >>
> >> P.S. The specification is short (only about 2 pages).
> >>
> >> Please volunteer!
> >>
> >> Christine and Tara
> > 
> 
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David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
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