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Re: Reciprocity of knowledge vs Power of abuse

From: Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:59:56 +0200
To: Karl Dubost <karld@opera.com>
Cc: "public-privacy (W3C mailing list)" <public-privacy@w3.org>, Edd Dumbill <edd@usefulinc.com>
Message-Id: <201104141759.56583.rigo@w3.org>

by the way, you can actually trying out how it feels if you know who is 
tracking what. Just use the PrimeLife dashboard Firefox extension:

It records everything into a client-side SQL database. 

The thing is: It gets so complex that even the predefined searches give you 
too much information. So collecting data about data collection is good, but 
makes you face the same issues as data miners with an additional handicap that 
you need a cute user interface and simple assertions. This is hard to achieve. 



On Wednesday 13 April 2011 15:50:05 Karl Dubost wrote:
> Rigo, Edd,
> Le 13 avr. 2011 à 05:28, Rigo Wenning a écrit :
> > do we already celebrate an achievement if gadgets don't track us secretly
> > but openly?
> Le 11 avr. 2011 à 23:21, Edd Dumbill a écrit :
> > True, but being able to know what the other side have on you is the
> > first step in preventing abuse.
> I hear your argument and agree basically with it. We also have to be aware
>  of the simplification of it, which will lead to:
> 	"If I track you openly (and you know it), there is no issue."
> A user might be interested by knowing its location and not having the
>  provider knowing about it. My best example of privacy aware geolocation
>  system is the difference between cell-tower and GPS.
> * GPS satellites broadcast signals and the device client computes the
>  location. Only the user knows its location. * Cell towers sends the
>  parameters to a service which computes the location. The operator knows
>  and records the location.
> They could perfectly dissociate the identification and the location. They
>  do not. Knowing the location, because the operator knows it, doesn't solve
>  the issue for some circumstances.
> It's why I said reciprocity of knowledge doesn't protect the user of abuse.
>  It just pushes the user to know (good) but doesn't leave the user with a
>  choice (not good).
> > I think companies are really afraid of the
> > overhead created by electronic access rights.
> Yes definitely.  Management of Personal data. btw, rigo if you have time,
>  you could read Fabrice Rochelandet book (very good). We should even try to
>  invite him to the workshop.
> > In the meantime, I would love to get my data from the telcos without
> > being forced to litigate my way through like Malte Spitz did in Germany
> > (where you actually _can_ get your data against cost contribution)
> I would love to have the choice of memory-less systems such as GPS.
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