- From: Seiler, Karl <karl.seiler@navteq.com>
- Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:31:51 -0500
- To: "nathan@webr3.org" <nathan@webr3.org>, Andy Braun <ajbraun@gmail.com>
- CC: Roy Davies <roy.c.davies@flexstudio.co.nz>, Thomas Wrobel <darkflame@gmail.com>, "Hegde, Vinod" <vinod.hegde@deri.org>, "public-poiwg@w3.org" <public-poiwg@w3.org>, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
I am beginning to feel like this is a recurring and circular discussion. Things (people, staplers, cars) have highly variable locations and places (a park, buildings, a store, a photo spot, a scenic drive) also have low volatility locations. Are we encompassing both or just places. _______________________________ Karl Seiler Director Location Technology & Services NAVTEQ - Chicago (T) +312-894-7231 (M) +312-375-5932 www.navteq.com -----Original Message----- From: Nathan [mailto:nathan@webr3.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:25 PM To: Andy Braun Cc: Roy Davies; Seiler, Karl; Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public-poiwg@w3.org; Dan Brickley Subject: Re: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location Overlaying the current location of a train/bus on a map or augmented on a street view? Fleet tracking for haulage? Staff location of remote salesmen? Andy Braun wrote: > In the case of a roving POI, the location is usable but often not a > interesting piece of information. > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Roy Davies > <roy.c.davies@flexstudio.co.nz>wrote: > >> Could not a POI be attached to a roving physical thing, however, like a >> Taxi or Bus? I interpret POI as Point of Interest rather than Place of >> Interest. And a Point of Interest could be attached to something that is >> moving. Further, to me, a POI may be temporary, so be at a particular point >> (or roving object) for only a certain period of time. >> >> /Roy. >> -- >> -------------------------------------------- >> Dr. Roy C. Davies, The VR Guy. >> -------------------------------------------- >> Managing Director, LOOK-HERE IP Holdings Ltd. >> Consultant and Managing Director, The Flexible Reality Studio Ltd. >> Senior Research Fellow, VRSuite, CoLab, Auckland University of Technology >> (AUT) >> >> EMAIL: roy.c.davies@ieee.org, roy.c.davies@flexstudio.co.nz, >> roy.c.davies@aut.ac.nz, roycdavies@mac.com >> >> LINKEDIN: http://nz.linkedin.com/in/roycdavies >> MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/roycdavies >> FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/roy.c.davies >> TWITTER: http://twitter.com/roycdavies >> >> SKYPE: roycdavies >> MSN: roy.c.davies@ieee.org >> ICQ: 2557565 >> YOUTUBE: drroycdavies >> >> PH: +64 (0)21 795294, +64 (0)9 8338360 >> WEB: www.flexstudio.co.nz, www.look-here.info, www.humanitycomputer.org, >> www.forwardthinking.org.nz, www.colab.org.nz >> >> On 27/04/2011, at 7:24 AM, Seiler, Karl wrote: >> >> If POI stands for Place-of-interest then by definition and scope/charter we >> are defining the means to describe a place. >> >> Also, if we want to drop the idea of a Place-of-interest having an >> "unknown" location, to keep from sliding sideways into descriptions of >> concepts, then I am OK with that. >> >> _______________________________ >> *Karl Seiler* >> *Director Location Technology & Services*** >> NAVTEQ - Chicago >> (T) +312-894-7231 >> (M) +312-375-5932 >> www.navteq.com >> >> *From:* public-poiwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-poiwg-request@w3.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Andy Braun >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:09 PM >> *To:* nathan@webr3.org >> *Cc:* Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public-poiwg@w3.org; Dan Brickley >> *Subject:* Re: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location >> >> My question about whether or not a POI must have a location comes down to >> whether or not location is important. >> >> Take for example the "'66 Camaro", I can identify this point of interest >> by its distinctive style. There is a great deal of interesting data >> associated with this car. While I will not try to argue that this car has >> no location, I would argue that its location isn't necessary to pull the >> interesting data. >> >> >> Andy >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Nathan <nathan@webr3.org> wrote: >> Thomas Wrobel wrote: >> " to let users create POIs for Art of Computer Programming, Easter >> ,The Social Network " >> >> No, because they arnt POIs. >> We arnt trying to make a database of all concepts here. (Thats what >> Linked data is for, theres already plenty of databases forming for all >> sorts of conceptual things; >> http://www.schemaweb.info/schema/BrowseSchema.aspx has a few) >> >> +1, fully agree. >> >> >> A POI could have a category, but that doesn't mean all categories are POIs. >> >> >> have a category, or be a category? >> >> >> "Can users create these POI's with location as unknown.?" >> >> I hope not, to me that seems exactly like making a "href" in html >> without pointing it anywhere - its meaningless. >> I vote strongly for POIs needing a location (of some form) in order to >> be valid. >> >> >> agree, a specific point, a region or a path - pretty much a usefully >> constrained subset of the OpenGIS concepts. >> >> on that note, the main questions I'd raise are: >> >> a - support for real world locations only? >> b - any spatial world, real or not? >> c - coordinates for space, relating to say planets or satellites? >> >> (gut instinct says only a). >> >> Following on from that, define abstract datatypes and certain lexical forms >> to be used in say XML and JSON or RDF. >> >> Following on from that, perhaps a schema for the properties, defined in >> RDF, XML-Schema and JSON-Schema. >> >> If this WG did all of that (even though I'm only on the outskirts and have >> no knowledge other than the charter and browsing a few mails), it'd be a >> great addition to the web, IMHO. >> >> Unsure: >> - any need for a specific scheme to encode locations in a URI form? If so, >> new scheme or data: or using some fragments form like media fragments did? >> >> All the Best, >> >> Nathan >> >> >> To me a POI should, essentially, be a physical hyperlink - a way to >> link the real and virtual worlds together in some form. >> >> -Thomas >> >> >> ~~~~~~ >> Reviews of anything, by anyone; >> www.rateoholic.co.uk >> Please try out my new site and give feedback :) >> >> >> >> On 20 April 2011 16:32, Hegde, Vinod <vinod.hegde@deri.org> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Once we use some real world categorization schema as defined in say >> Wikipedia, it lets us define categories for almost all the 'entities' we >> know. >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Computer_Programming Categories it >> belongs to : 1968 books | 1969 books | 1973 books | 1981 books | Computer >> books | Computer programming | Computer science >> books | Algorithms | Analysis of algorithms | Monographs | Books by Donald >> Knuth | Addison-Wesley books It HAS NO LOCATION >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter Categories it belongs to : >> Easter | Christian holidays | Holy Week It HAS NO LOCATION >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Network Categories it belongs to: >> 2010 films | American films | English-language films | Facebook | 2010s >> drama films | American biographical films | American business >> films |American legal drama films | Courtroom dramas | Films whose writer >> won the Best Adapted Screenplay Academy Award | Best Original Music Score >> Academy Award winners | Films whose editor won the Best Film Editing >> Academy >> Award | Films directed by David Fincher | Films about technology | Films >> about the media | Films about fraternities and sororities | Films based on >> non-fiction books | Films set in California | Films set in >> Massachusetts | Films set in 2003 | Films set in 2004 | Films set in >> 2005 | Films shot digitally | Films shot in California | Films shot in >> Massachusetts | Nonlinear narrative films | Relativity Media >> films | Columbia Pictures films It HAS NO LOCATION >> >> >> >> My concern was whether we are going to let users create POIs for Art of >> Computer Programming, Easter ,The Social Network and millions of such 'real >> world' entities( for which we can identify some category in Wikipedia but >> the entity itself has no location). >> >> >> >> That is are we going to let users create POIs belonging to categories which >> do not support location in their semantics.? >> >> Can users create these POI's with location as unknown.? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vinod >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> The information contained in this communication may be CONFIDENTIAL and is >> intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. 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