[Minutes] 2017 01 16

The minutes of today's meeting are at 
https://www.w3.org/2017/01/16-poe-minutes with a snapshot below.

Thanks to Serena for scribing.


   Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference

16 Jan 2017

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/16-poe-irc

Attendees

    Present
           renato, ivan, phila, Brian_Ulicny, Serena, michaelS,
           CarolineB

    Regrets
           Stuart, Ben, Sabrina, Simon

    Chair
           renato

    Scribe
           Serena

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Deliverables Plan
      * [5]Summary of Action Items
      * [6]Summary of Resolutions
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    scribenick Serena

    <scribe> Scribe: Serena

    <renato> [7]https://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-poe-minutes.html

       [7] https://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-poe-minutes.html

    Proposal: approve last meeting minutes

    RESOLUTION: last minutes meeting approved

    <renato>
    [8]https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs%20WG%20Decision

       [8] https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs WG Decision

    Issues:
    [9]https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs%20WG%20Decision

       [9] https://github.com/w3c/poe/labels/Needs WG Decision

    <renato>
    [10]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/
    0004.html

      [10] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/0004.html

    renato: let's start with issue #82
    ... [11]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/82
    ... in the example multiple actions, parties and assets are
    expressed at policy level
    ... it's basically a shortcut
    ... we end up wit the same thing if we expand the "short"
    version of the policy
    ... this is the proposal

      [11] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/82

    phila: it makes sense, how are you going to express ?

    renato: the narrative could be that the two policies are
    semantically equivalent

    phila: this should be added into a Processing section in the IM
    ... these are semantically equivalent and you have to process
    them in this way
    ... my concern is purely in terms about how to state that
    ... there should be a section defining Processing procedures

    <Brian_Ulicny> No objection to example.

    <renato>
    [12]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/
    0005.html

      [12] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-wg/2017Jan/0005.html

    <Brian_Ulicny> No objection to proposal.

    renato: the question could be "in this case, how does it work
    with inheritance?"
    ... inheritance is something we support but we mean more
    something like inclusion than the standard meaning of
    inheritance
    ... e.g., in programming langauges
    ... the proposal is to copy in the child policy the properties
    of the father
    ... then if the full expansion is preferred, then we go back to
    the previous example

    <Brian_Ulicny> Comment: q+

    michaelS: did you check if you obtain the same result if you
    expand first and then you inherit?
    ... it might be the same, but we need to check

    renato: yes, we can look at that

    Brian_Ulicny: the kind of inheritance is standard in OWL

    renato: we will implement these changes in the editors draft

    <renato> [13]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/48

      [13] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/48

    renato: issue to be discussed #48
    ... validity data expressed through constraints

    <phila> +1 to not re-defining Dublin Core :-)

    renato: my recommendation is to point to another ontology
    defining them
    ... any views?
    ... a constraint is part of a rule, thus we need to apply
    validity dates to all the rules in the policy

    michaelS: it would be good to have a definition of what a time
    range validity means?

    renato: I mean temporal constraints on the policy
    ... it was based on the UC 4

    <renato>
    [14]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#POE.UC.04_Techni
    cal_documents_rules_for_business_process_regulatory_compliance

      [14] 
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#POE.UC.04_Technical_documents_rules_for_business_process_regulatory_compliance

    <phila> Serena: We had differnet versions. It was at the policy
    level, to be able to say when there is a change

    <phila> ... *this* policy has been overtaken by *this* policy

    renato: we have the temporal constraints and we use other
    ontologies like DC for the other information

    phila: the policy is unbounded

    renato: if there is no date, we assume there are no constraints
    about that
    ... should we say something about policy identifiers?

    <victor> which is the use case raising this?

    UC4

    <renato> #uc04

    phila: we defer to the DC semantics, for versioning

    renato: we will explicitly state that

    <phila> The terms dcterms:replaces and dcterms:isReplacedBy are
    both defined

    phila: that should be part of the processing part

    renato: good point

    <renato> [15]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues

    <renato> [16]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63

      [16] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63

    <phila> Serena: We discussed issue 63

    <victor> about [17]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63 i
    provided several examples with minimal impact on the model, I
    think

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/63

    renato: we need to find a way with minimum impact on the IM

    victor: the change is minimum, only two operands

    renato: what about duties?

    victor: I forgot about that

    renato: everything is in constraints in dities
    ... my proposal is not to do this because it just increase the
    complexity of the model. Technically we can do it.
    ... in duties, we need to define left and right operands for
    duties
    ... we thought there could be other ontologies doing that, but
    it does not seem so

    victor: I have to say that I'm not strongly supporting that,
    it's syntactic sugar.

    renato: we can note the WG that we are reconsidering this, we
    need some strong cases to continue with this requirement
    ... the other issues are doable in the next week or two
    ... any other issue?

    <renato> [18]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables

      [18] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables

    we move on the deliverables plan

Deliverables Plan

    renato: by next Monday we have a first version of the editors
    draft
    ... then call for reviews

    <victor> I applied changes in the morning (merging the branch
    issue84), that you can see in the vocabs page
    [19]https://w3c.github.io/poe/vocab/

      [19] https://w3c.github.io/poe/vocab/

    renato: the deliverables wiki page, we then have to call for
    one review (widest community possible)
    ... asking for feedback, comments, etc
    ... we need a collection of groups to contact
    ... at the moment we have few groups listed there
    ... do we need bigger groups?

    phila: you just list the groups to contact, we created a
    template email, and we reconded on the wiki when we sent this
    email to
    ... making a structured effort should be enough
    ... we need to include horizontal reviews as well

    <renato> [20]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables

      [20] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables

    ivan: one small remark, I agree that accessibility is not an
    issue here, but we need to contact everyone
    ... in my experience, when it comes to reporting then Github is
    your friend
    ... using a separate label for each group contacted, and ask
    for issues there
    ... it is very easy at the end to report

    renato: any other business?

    <renato>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:London2017

      [21] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:London2017

    phila: EU project where they express CC licenses in ODRL
    ... CCRel they express CC licenses

    renato: we did a profile together, but it was a while ago

    <michaelS> [22]https://www.w3.org/community/odrl/work/cc/

      [22] https://www.w3.org/community/odrl/work/cc/

    renato: if want to purely express CC semantics they can use
    CCRel and ODRL

    victor: I support the idea of expressing CC licenses in ODRL
    ... each of the versions of licenses in Europe are
    incompatible, and ODRL can fill the gap

    renato: thanks everyone

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [23]last minutes meeting approved

    [End of minutes]
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