[Minutes] 2017 04 10

The minutes of today's meeting are at 
https://www.w3.org/2017/04/10-poe-minutes with a snapshot below.

There'll be an extra meeting to discuss formal semantics tomorrow at 
14:30 CEST.


   Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference

10 April 2017

    [2]Agenda [3]IRC log

       [2] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170410
       [3] http://www.w3.org/2017/04/10-poe-irc

Attendees

    Present
           benws, CarolineB, ivan, michaelS, phila, renato, Serena,
           simonstey, smyles, victor

    Regrets

    Chair
           Ben

    Scribe
           simonstey

Contents

      * [4]Meeting Minutes
          1. [5]Admin
          2. [6]Comments received
          3. [7]issue 22
          4. [8]formal semantics
          5. [9]best practices
      * [10]Summary of Action Items
      * [11]Summary of Resolutions

Meeting Minutes

Admin

    benws: last week's minutes

    Resolved: Last week's minutes at [12]https://www.w3.org/2017/
    04/03-poe-minutes approved

      [12] https://www.w3.org/2017/04/03-poe-minutes

    benws: hearing no objections - approved!

Comments received

    <renato> [13]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables

      [13] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables

    renato: the only thing we are really waiting for is horizontal
    review
    … which brian's doing

    benws: haven't heard back from him

    <renato> [14]https://github.com/w3c/poe/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Wide+Review%22

      [14] 
https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"Wide+Review"

    renato: I don't think we've sent out any other wide review
    requests though

    benws: anything we want to discuss reg. already received
    feedback?

    <renato> [15]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/123

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/123

    renato: I tagged related issues with "Wide Review"
    … there's an existing use case for that (uc24)

    benws: if we include that term, and at the time the
    implementation reports come in noone implements it -> do we
    have to exclude it?

    phila: short answer, yes
    … such terms can be flagged as features "at risk"
    … which is relevant for going to CR

    phila: we could also ask them to point us to others using that
    term

    renato: synchronize is becoming more and more relevant for the
    music industry

    <renato> [16]https://github.com/w3c/poe/
    issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Needs+WG+Decision%22

      [16] 
https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"Needs+WG+Decision"

    renato: I would like to have an ODRL profile for the music
    industry in the future

    <renato> [17]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/122

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/122

    <renato> simon: spec says: to get a permission you must fufill
    duty

    <renato> ... but some actions are not applicable..such as
    "uninstall"

    <renato> ...duty does not specify when to perform the duty

    <renato> ... you should agree beforehand when to perform the
    duty

    michaelS: having been involved in these discussions, my
    thinking is -> on the commercial level you e.g. receive a good
    and have a due that to pay its price
    … under the assumption that the price will be paid
    … so that's a real use case

    <victor> "must be satisfied" is time neutral, namely, it can
    refer to both a future and a past action.

    [discussing details on duties and their satisfiability]

    <renato> simon: the permission is only valid only after the
    duty is fulfilled

    <renato> simon: suggestion: if there is not specific time in a
    constraint, the semantics are you agree to delete the asset,
    then the permission is valid

    <renato> ... change the semantics of the vocab term (eg "has
    agreed to delete")

    benws: another approach would be to say that as long as a duty
    doesn't have a temporal constraint attached

    <renato> ben: or add "..unless the duty constraint has a
    temporal conditions"

    benws: you can only agree to do respective duty

    <renato> simon: you fulfil the duty if you agree what the duty
    says

    <renato> simon: ..indicate a requirements that is *agreed* to
    be satisfied

    <renato> [18]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/22

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/22

    benws: moving on to inheritance and overriden entities

issue 22

    renato: simonstey raised this issue
    … proposing to remove "inheritRelation" from the core model

    <victor> I have never used inheritance relations and have no
    opinion on that.

    smyles: I'm fine with it being removed.. I've never seen a
    pratical use of it anyway

    michaelS: agreed

    renato: we'll then remove it

    Resolved: remove odrl:inheritRelation from ODRL

    victor: do we plan to include SHACL shapes to the ODRL
    ontology?

    phila: although you can have valid/invalid policies, it's not a
    good thing to be dependend on other WG

formal semantics

    ivan: I haven't gotten any invites for a call tmrw

    victor: same time as today?

    <victor> 12.30 GMT then?

    ivan: should work for me

    simonstey: +1

    <victor> +1

    ivan: but we don't have a Webex set up either

    ivan: I'll set one up and notify the group

best practices

    benws: victor and myself had a call last week
    … we tried to indentify what ODRL profiles actually want to be
    … it's important to emphasize that ODRL policies do not replace
    actual contracts

    phila: yes, that's very important stuff
    … we need to be both careful and confident at the same time

    benws: the best practices document will talk about challenges
    of using ODRL for expressing e.g. licenses
    … it will only use fragments of licenses

    phila: so you probably need ficticious licenses for examples

    <renato> CC-BY !

    phila: I want to have CC-BY

    <renato> [19]https://w3c.github.io/poe/model/#provenace

      [19] https://w3c.github.io/poe/model/#provenace

    <victor> You may want to check this:

    <victor> [20]http://purl.oclc.org/NET/rdflicense/cc-by2.0.ttl

      [20] http://purl.oclc.org/NET/rdflicense/cc-by2.0.ttl

    benws: probably just talking about adding PROV-O concepts

    <victor> By comparison, you may want to use the CreativeCommons
    version, which can obtained as RDFa at the official URI.

    phila: thanks for the example, I wouldn't include all of the
    license text though
    … maybe also have something in the title that explicitly states
    that this is Victor's interpretation of CC-BY

    <victor> You may want to see the Turtle extracted by the W3C
    RDF distiller of the same license by the original
    CreativeCommons publishers if you click here: [21]https://
    www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/
    extract?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby%2
    F2.0&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_
    lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=tr
    ue&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false

      [21] 
https://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/extract?uri=https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false

    renato: [mentions smart contracts in that context]

    <victor> UK's Open Government Licenses are also
    machine-readable

    <victor> [22]https://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/
    extract?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalarchives.gov.uk%2Fdoc%2Fop
    en-government-licence%2Fversion%2F3%2F&format=turtle&rdfagraph=
    output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&
    space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&v
    ocab_cache_refresh=false

      [22] 
https://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false

    <michaelS> -1

    <CarolineB> +1

    <phila> PROPOSED: Move meeting back an hour

    benws: should we have a quick strawpoll regarding meeting time?

    <smyles> +0

    <phila> 0 (I don't mind)

    0

    +1

    <victor> 0 (I don't mind)

    benws: discuss again enxt week

    <renato> PROPOSAL: not accepted (for now)

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [23]Last week's minutes at https://www.w3.org/2017/04/
        03-poe-minutes approved
     2. [24]remove odrl:inheritRelation from ODRL

Received on Monday, 10 April 2017 13:37:48 UTC