Re: aria-interactive and the authoring/debug process problems

On 5/21/2015 2:36 PM, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger 
> <schwer@us.ibm.com <mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
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>     I see your point. When working with Freedom Scientific they made
>     it so that interactive controls would not have the keys stolen.
>     For example, a drop menu button <div role="button"
>     aria-haspopup="true"> does respond to an arrow key without
>     stealing the key and moving the point of regard in the virtual
>     buffer down a row.
>
>     We did not consider the basic buttons when we added that text. We
>     also were not adding the aria-interactive feature to buttons,
>     checkboxes, and radio buttons. So, we should restrict that text.
>
> Rather than restricting the text, please at least consider allowing it 
> to apply to other roles. This is not a hypothetical situation, there 
> are web apps that could benefit from this now.
+1

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> - Dominic
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>     Rich Schwerdtfeger
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>     Inactive hide details for Dominic Mazzoni ---05/21/2015 11:53:23
>     AM---On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger
>     <sDominic Mazzoni ---05/21/2015 11:53:23 AM---On Thu, May 21, 2015
>     at 7:02 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com
>     <mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
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>     From: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com
>     <mailto:dmazzoni@google.com>>
>     To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>     Cc: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com
>     <mailto:surkov.alexander@gmail.com>>, "Gunderson, Jon R"
>     <jongund@illinois.edu <mailto:jongund@illinois.edu>>, Matthew
>     King/Fishkill/IBM@IBMUS, "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats"
>     <public-pfwg@w3.org <mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>>
>     Date: 05/21/2015 11:53 AM
>     Subject: Re: aria-interactive and the authoring/debug process problems
>
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>     On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger
>     <_schwer@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
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>         Alex, for ARIA 1.1 we are going to limit the use of
>         aria-interactive. By default, widgets are considered to be
>         interactive. 
>
>
>     That isn't consistent with the current text of the spec. It says
>     "When a user navigates an element that has aria-interactive set to
>     "true", assistive technologies that intercept standard keyboard
>     events should switch to a mode that passes keyboard events through
>     to the user agent."
>
>     However, that's not currently how Windows screen readers behave.
>     Buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, etc. are all "widgets", but
>     screen readers do NOT switch to a mode that passes keyboard events
>     through to the user agent now when elements with those roles are
>     focused, even though that's sometimes what web application authors
>     would like them to do.
>
>     It'd be most accurate to say that the following roles are already
>     interactive: textbox, combobox, spinbutton, listbox, tab, menubar,
>     menuitem, treeitem, gridcell
>
>     However, these are not: button, checkbox, radiobutton, link
>
>     (We should double-check that list. I'll be happy to test it with
>     JAWS, NVDA, and Window-Eyes and figure out the current behavior.)
>
>     If we indeed want assistive technologies that intercept standard
>     keyboard events to switch to a mode that passes keyboard events
>     through to the user agent, we should allow authors to change a
>     button to aria-interactive=true.
>
>     - Dominic
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