Re: Action-1293 Proposal

Let's keep it long enough to be clear to authors. "row—" and "col—" are clear enough. "r—" and "c—" could be anything.

> On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:16 PM, Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com> wrote:
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> I think it should be rowcount, colcount, rowindex, and colindex.
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> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com <mailto:surkov.alexander@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Rich, why not have rowcount and colcount, it's not much longer? But if rcount and ccount then why not rindex and cindex?
> 
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com <mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
> Perhaps. I was trying to be consistent but perhaps the names are too
> close. I will change the name from rsize to rcount and csize to ccount.
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> Rich Schwerdtfeger
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> From:   Matthew King/Fishkill/IBM@IBMUS
> To:     Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com <mailto:surkov.alexander@gmail.com>>
> Cc:     Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com <mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>>, PF <public-pfwg@w3.org <mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>>,
> Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
> Date:   03/10/2015 12:30 PM
> Subject:        Re: Action-1293 Proposal
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> > Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
> 
> Could these be confusing names? aria-setsize tells the number of items in
> the set. Might people think that aria-rowsize is the number of items
> (cells or columns) in a row? And that aria-colsize is the number of items
> (cells or rows) in a column? Of course, they can read the fine spec... but
> they may just be reading code.
> 
> I wonder if aria-rowcount and aria-colcount might be more descriptive?
> 
> Matt King
> IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
> I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
> IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
> Phone: (503) 578-2329 <tel:%28503%29%20578-2329>, Tie line: 731-7398
> mattking@us.ibm.com <mailto:mattking@us.ibm.com>
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> From:        Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com <mailto:surkov.alexander@gmail.com>>
> To:        Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
> Cc:        PF <public-pfwg@w3.org <mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com <mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>>
> Date:        03/10/2015 08:16 AM
> Subject:        Re: Action-1293 Proposal
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> Hi, again. I think I have an addition to attributes definition, you gave,
> which would make me ok with attributes. Let me share it with you.
> 
> aria-rowindex
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> If aria-rowindex attribute value on the item is lesser than previous item
> row index then the attribute is ignored. If aria-rowsize attribute value
> is lesser then subsequent items number then the attribute is ignored.
> 
> aria-colindex
> 
> Same text as aria-rowindex plus "aria-colindex is ignored on any cell not
> belonging to the first presented row".
> 
> Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
> 
> Thanks.
> Alex.
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> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Alexander Surkov <
> surkov.alexander@gmail.com <mailto:surkov.alexander@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi. I still dislike the definition of aria-colindex
> 
> "Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
> current set of columns table"
> 
> since it allows to move table cells in the table. You can easily do
> sorting:
> 
> <table role="grid">
>   <row>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>   </row>
> ...
> </table>
> 
> This statement is incorrect in case of IA2 and ATK
> 
> "This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent."
> 
> because every cell has to have column and row index in these APIs, so if
> it's not provided by ARIA then the browser has to calculate it.
> 
> Same concerns are applicable to aria-rowindex property.
> 
> Thanks.
> Alex.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com <mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com>>
> wrote:
> for role="row" add aria-rowindex and aria-rsize
> for role="cell" and gridcell add aria-colindex, and aria-csize
> 
> aria-colindex (property)
> Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
> current set of columns table, grid, or treegrid. See related aria-csize.
> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
> default value is -1 which means indeterminant.
> The following example shows columns 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
> <table role="grid">
>   <row>
>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>   </row>
> ...
> </table>
> 
> aria-rowindex (property)
> 
> Defines a element's row number or position in the current set of rows
> table, grid, or treegrid. It is not required if all row elements in the
> set are present in the DOM. See related aria-rsize
> 
> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
> necessary to set this attribute, as the user agent can automatically
> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment,
> this property is needed to provide an explicit indication of an element's
> position.
> 
> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
> gridcells in addition to the row it is applied to.
> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
> <table>
>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>      <td>A</td>
>      <td>B</td>
>      <td>C</td>
>   </row>
>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>      <td>A</td>
>      <td>B</td>
>      <td>C</td>
>   </row>
>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>      <td>A</td>
>      <td>B</td>
>      <td>C</td>
>   </row>
> </table>
> 
> aria-csize (property)
> 
> Defines the number of columns in the current table or grid's set of
> columns.
> This property is marked on the members of a set, not the container element
> that collects the members of the set. To orient the user by saying an
> element is "item X out of Y," the assistive technologies would use X equal
> to the aria-colindex attribute and aria-csize equal to the aria-colsize
> attribute.
> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
> default value is -1 which means indeterminate.
> The following example shows items 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
> <table role="grid">
>   <row>
>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>   </row>
> ...
> </table>
> 
> aria-rsize (property)
> 
> Defines the number of rows in the current set of rows within a table,
> grid, or treegrid. Not required if all elements in the set are present in
> the DOM. See related aria-posinset.
> This property is marked on rows, or cells or gridcells contained within
> the containing row. To orient the user by saying an element is "item X out
> of Y," the assistive technologies would use X equal to the aria-rowindex
> attribute and Y equal to the aria-rsize attribute.
> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
> necessary to set this property, as the user agent can automatically
> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment
> (in order to reduce document size), this property is needed to provide an
> explicit indication of set size.
> 
> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
> gridcells unless overridden by  applying the property directly to a
> descendant cell or gridcell.
> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
> <table>
>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>      <td>A</td>
>      <td>B</td>
>      <td>C</td>
>   </row>
>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>      <td>A</td>
>      <td>B</td>
>      <td>C</td>
>   </row>
>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>      <td>A</td>
>      <td>B</td>
>      <td>C</td>
>   </row>
> </table>
> 
> Note: need to coordinate with Steve Faulkner new native host language
> semantics for TD and Table elements.
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> Rich Schwerdtfeger
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