ARIA Minutes for 2 July

Minutes from the ARIA Task Force teleconference of 2 July are provided below
as text, and are available as hypertext at:

http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html

   W3C

                                                           - DRAFT -

                                       Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

02 Jul 2015

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          Janina, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanie_Diggs, STefan_Schnabel, MichaelC, Bryan, Bryan_Garaventa,
          JamesN

   Regrets
   Chair
          Rich

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

     * Topics
         1. Action 1493 and 1606 Joseph Scheumammer
         2. Switch Role ...
         3. Action-1417
         4. issue-717?
         5. ssue 683, 689, 655, 670 Make aria-level a required attribute for
         6. aria-uinvalid issue-651
     * Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 02 July 2015

   <richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0016.html

   <scribe> scribe: janina

Action 1493 and 1606 Joseph Scheumammer

   <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jun/0181.html

   action-1493?

   <trackbot> action-1493 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose spec text allowing šimplicit value for roleš to provide default
   values for required properties -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1493

   rs: I see no issues with your text, Joseph

   js: I was asked to add to Sec 7.6 attrib processing
   ... Discussed Mar 26
   ... Aslo what to do for default values
   ... Email for review out Monday

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1493/aria/aria.html#state_property_processing

   js: Only one response

   rs: Anyone not looked at this? Please do so now
   ... Any objections?

   RESOLUTION: Adopt Joseph's proposal for Action-1493

   rs: Did you change other things, too? Slider?

   js: ARIA- values are required on sliders, spin button ...

   <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1493/aria/aria.html#slider

   js: summarizes changes ....

   rs: Is there text in Core for this?

   js: Will be fixing
   ... Author Errors sec has values, but needs updating

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joseph modify, scrollbar, spinbutton and Slider to update author error section for
   default values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1670 - Modify, scrollbar, spinbutton and slider to update author error section for default
   values [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-07-09].

   <richardschwerdtfeger> Action-1670?

   <trackbot> Action-1670 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify, scrollbar, spinbutton and slider to update author error section
   for default values -- due 2015-07-09 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1670

   jn: What about infinitely scrollable?

   js: Listed as required state --
   ... This is already in ARIA-1.0

   <richardschwerdtfeger> Action-1493?

   <trackbot> Action-1493 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose spec text allowing šimplicit value for roleš to provide default
   values for required properties -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1493

   <jamesn> ISSUE: need to allow scrollbars to specify an unknown value for aria-valuemax

   <trackbot> Created ISSUE-718 - Need to allow scrollbars to specify an unknown value for aria-valuemax. Please complete
   additional details at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/718/edit>.

   mc: Do we need Joanie to do the merge? What about Joseph?

   js: Sure
   ... Slight chance not by Monday

   <jamesn> fyi I just updated issue-718 I just logged to ARIA 2.0

   mc: If Monday, that's OK, but need to know if issue

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1606

   RESOLUTION: Close Action-1606

   js: Note new Issue 718

   jd: Don't think it needs unknown max, just that the max keeps changing
   ... But I always think desktop

   jn: That may indeed be OK
   ... And we simply need to document that

   action-1591?

   <trackbot> action-1591 -- Joanmarie Diggs to checkbox role doesn't list aria-readonly -- due 2015-03-04 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1591

   <clown> action-1591?

   <trackbot> action-1591 -- Joanmarie Diggs to checkbox role doesn't list aria-readonly -- due 2015-03-04 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1591

   <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jun/0177.html

   jd: Believe I have this in a branch, but no responses

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-1591/aria/aria.html#aria-readonly

   jd: Believe I changed some inheritance

   <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-1591/aria/aria.html#radio

   rs: Looks fine. Any issues?

   jd: Asking to re-consider inheritance ...

   rs: Should be a separate Action

   jd: Would think it useful for the heartbeat

   rs: Won't have time to review
   ... We need to review it separately. Can we tie to Action?

   jd: Yes, will do

   RESOLUTION: Action 1591 is complete

Switch Role ...

   jd: I believe Alex was asking for string substitution ...

   rs: So, no resolution yet ...
   ... Should state mixed value is invalid and will default to false
   ... Then we flag in test tools
   ... Current text says "not supported," but should say "invalid"

   <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION:

   <richardschwerdtfeger> Change this text:

   <richardschwerdtfeger> The mixed value is not supported, and user agents MUST treat a mixed value as equivalent to
   false for this role.

   <richardschwerdtfeger> To:

   <richardschwerdtfeger> The mixed value is invalid, and user agents MUST treat a mixed value as equivalent to false for
   this role.

   Action-1592?

   <trackbot> Action-1592 -- Joanmarie Diggs to switch role shouldn't say about mixed value mapping. -- due 2015-03-04 --
   OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1592

   Also has associated Issue

   scribe note: Above ediscussion is on this action-1592

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joseph address error handling in aria-checked with a value of “mixed” for a switch role
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1671 - Address error handling in aria-checked with a value of “mixed” for a switch role [on
   Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-07-09].

   rs: Anything with localized role description?

   jd: Believe pending review

Action-1417

   RESOLUTION: Action-1417 is complete and also close Issue-636

   issue-171?

   <trackbot> issue-171 -- Menu discuss separator and group -- closed

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/171

   oops

   <clown> issue=717

issue-717?

   issue-717?

   <trackbot> issue-717 -- Should we deprecate aria-grabbed and aria-dropeffect? -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/717

   <clown> issue-717

   <trackbot> issue-717 -- Should we deprecate aria-grabbed and aria-dropeffect? -- open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/717

   rs: Used for GWT
   ... Should we deprecate?

   js: Also Fluid, but only in demos
   ... Also GPII ...

   See new Issue-719

   <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/719

   <clown> FYI: http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaGrabbedTrue

   jd: Shouldn't we also deprecate presentation role?

   rs: Indeed!

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Michael Mark aria-grabbed, aria-dropeffect, and the presentation role as deprecated and
   provide reference definition of derprecated [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1672 - Mark aria-grabbed, aria-dropeffect, and the presentation role as deprecated and
   provide reference definition of derprecated [on Michael Cooper - due 2015-07-09].

   jn: Why deprecate presentation?
   ... Are we ever dropping support for it?

   <richardschwerdtfeger> action-1672?

   <trackbot> action-1672 -- Michael Cooper to Mark aria-grabbed, aria-dropeffect, and the presentation role as deprecated
   and provide reference definition of derprecated -- due 2015-07-09 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1672

   jn: Concern on retro support for none ... still advise presentation

   General concern that "presentation" is far too widely used

   mc: So, perhaps an issue to consider during 2.0?

   <clown> issue-683

   <trackbot> issue-683 -- The aria-level attribute is not required for role=heading within the spec, but should be. --
   open

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/683

ssue 683, 689, 655, 670 Make aria-level a required attribute for

   <richardschwerdtfeger> role="heading". Also discuss values of "auto" and "subsection".

   rs: Not complete consensus, but ...

   jn: Agree that's the consensus, even though I don't participate in it!

   rs: auto and subsection values, would 2.0 be soone enough?

   mc: Yes

   RESOLUTION: ARIA-LEVEL is required for role=heading

   <jnurthen> just for the minutes - I still disagree with this but accept the consensus opinion

   rs: Proposing to add Issue for auto and subsection for 2.0

   <Stefasn> I agree

   <scribe> New issue-721

   jd: Notes that we need default value -- consensus seemed to be thatit's "2"

   rs: Can we live with that?

   [no objection]

   <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: aria-level defaults to a value of “2” for role=“heading”

   RESOLUTION: ARIA-Level defaults to value of 2 for role=heading

   action-1657?

   <trackbot> action-1657 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Make aria-level a required attribute for role=“heading” -- due 2015-06-25
   -- OPEN

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1657

   rs: Updating the action

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Joseph modify the Core mapping spec. to handle the error condition of when aria-level is
   not present for role “heading” and it defaults to “2” [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1673 - Modify the core mapping spec. to handle the error condition of when aria-level is not
   present for role “heading” and it defaults to “2” [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-07-09].

aria-uinvalid issue-651

   issue-651?

   <trackbot> issue-651 -- Allow aria-invalid to specify more types of errors including custom errors -- raised

   <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651

   rs: need to treat error differently from help
   ... also want to categorize importance
   ... we could mark role=error and provide importance level ... one proposal

   jd: don't believe this needs to be complicated
   ... aria-invalid is currently string
   ... require that author needs to localize whatever they put ...

   rs: not a string

   js: tokenized
   ... value outsied of tokens mapps to "true"

   <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaInvalidUnknown

   jd: I propose "pass it along," screen reader will speak it

   js: 1.0 sayse "expose as given"
   ... jc said can't do

   rs: aren't we trying to overload this?
   ... point is to show the actual message, whatever it is
   ... so another relationship? another role?
   ... could have importance levels
   ... could be live region ... another approach

   jd: like live
   ... but still thinking

   rs: live has polite, assertive, off. is that enough?
   ... Thoughts?

   <Stefasn> Don't mix things

   js: cool with aria-error to point to it

   rs: should they be live regions?

   js: do they come and go?

   rs: live not necessarily
   ... option is to put a proposl on list for further consideration
   ... certainly errors should be announced

   jn: but not necessarily always

   <clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-live

   jd: Like the live region, but concerned how connected

   rs: We're proposing an area where errors are presented, and this area is live region

   <richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: Rich Write proposal to the list for error message referencs to live region [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action05]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1674 - Write proposal to the list for error message referencs to live region [on Richard
   Schwerdtfeger - due 2015-07-09].

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Joseph address error handling in aria-checked with a value of “mixed” for a switch role [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Joseph modify the Core mapping spec. to handle the error condition of when aria-level is not present for
   role “heading” and it defaults to “2” [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Joseph modify, scrollbar, spinbutton and Slider to update author error section for default values
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Michael Mark aria-grabbed, aria-dropeffect, and the presentation role as deprecated and provide reference
   definition of derprecated [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Rich Write proposal to the list for error message referencs to live region [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html#action05]

   [End of minutes]

Found Scribe: janina
Present: Janina Joseph_Scheuhammer Rich_Schwerdtfeger Joanie_Diggs STefan_Schnabel MichaelC Bryan Bryan_Garaventa JamesN
Found Date: 02 Jul 2015
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-aria-minutes.html
People with action items: joseph michael modify proposal rich scrollbar slider spinbutton write

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