Steve, Are these cases where the “placeholder" is being used as a valid label (i.e not a formatting hit like MM/DD/YY), or cases where “placeholder” is the only source for a label no matter what it happens to contain (i.e. default input, formatting information)? Jon From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>> Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:48 AM To: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu<mailto:clown@alum.mit.edu>> Cc: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com<mailto:surkov.alexander@gmail.com>>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com<mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>>, "public-pfwg@w3.org<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>" <public-pfwg@w3.org<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>> Subject: Re: [REVIEW REQUESTED][ARIA] placeholder Resent-From: "public-pfwg@w3.org<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>" <public-pfwg@w3.org<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>> Resent-Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:49 AM On 2 April 2015 at 21:52, Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu<mailto:clown@alum.mit.edu>> wrote: Since the purpose of @placeholder is to provide a clue as to the format of the input value, then the AT needs to communicate that as well. While i agree in theory, the reality is that the placeholder attribute is often used as the label for an input. Here is 5565 examples of usage of the placeholder attribute (from partial grep of top 87,000 web site home pages: source latest data set 2015-01-08 (780 Mb)<http://files.paciellogroup.com/HTMLData/webdevdata.org-2015-01-07-112944.7z> 87,000 pages.) LARGE HTML file (6mb) http://www.html5accessibility.com/HTML5data/top15000-placeholder.html If you take the time to review this data, it quickly becomes evident, that despite 'best practice' and the definition of what a placeholder should be, it more often than not provides an accessible name for an input. -- Regards SteveF HTML 5.1<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
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