Re: this week's meeting minutes (6/11/2018)

Looking at the IRC log, I see Lisa generated the minutes, and they are 
there.

https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-minutes.html

They sometimes take several minutes to show up after a request to 
generate, one of the many "fun" things about W3C's homegrown tools.

Michael


On 11/06/2018 2:07 PM, John Foliot wrote:
> Something hinky with the W3C bots - the meeting minutes are blank. 
> Please find the minutes below. (M. Cooper, can we get this fixed?)
>
> === Begin Minutes ===
>
> #personalization: (no topic set)
> [11:57] == JF [~JF@public.cloak] has joined #personalization
> [11:57] <JF> agenda?
> [11:57] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
> [11:57] * Zakim 1. tools module  (If ready) [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [11:57] * Zakim 2. help module 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html   compair 
> to
> [11:57] * Zakim ... 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html [from 
> LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [11:57] * Zakim 3. do we have all the opinions for implementions at 
> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content [from
> [11:57] * Zakim ... LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [11:57] <JF> present+ JF
> [12:01] <@Roy> present+
> [12:01] == Sharon [~Sharon@public.cloak] has joined #personalization
> [12:01] <janina> zakim, who's here?
> [12:01] <Zakim> Present: JF, Roy
> [12:01] <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharon, JF, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, 
> RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, Roy
> [12:01] <MichaelC> present+
> [12:02] <janina> present+
> [12:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> scribe: JF
> [12:02] <JF> scribe: JF
> [12:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> present+
> [12:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> Zakim, next item
> [12:02] <Zakim> agendum 1. "tools module  (If ready)" taken up [from 
> LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [12:02] <Sharon> present+
> [12:03] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> agenda?
> [12:03] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
> [12:03] * Zakim 1. tools module  (If ready) [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [12:03] * Zakim 2. help module 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html   compair 
> to
> [12:03] * Zakim ... 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html [from 
> LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [12:03] * Zakim 3. do we have all the opinions for implementions at 
> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content [from
> [12:03] * Zakim ... LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [12:03] <JF> zakim, take up item 2
> [12:03] <Zakim> agendum 2. "help module 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html   compair 
> to
> [12:03] <Zakim> ... 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html" 
> <https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html%22> taken 
> up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [12:04] <JF> LSK: Becky isn't on call, but believe that what Becky did 
> on her module is easy to follow along
> [12:05] <JF> worth looking at both, but the more important one is the 
> alternative version to help
> [12:05] <JF> not committed to any examples, look at structure instead
> [12:05] <JF> this is what we had after the use-cases
> [12:06] <JF> here, Becky has added al the values into one table, even 
> if they come from different places
> [12:06] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#alternative-explanation
> [12:06] <JF> took them out of the implementations examples
> [12:07] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#helptype-explanation
> [12:08] <JF> all values are being merged into one vocabulary. If this 
> works it's good, but if it doesn't it'w bad...
> [12:08] <JF> LSK: do we have everything we need? Do we have all the 
> terms/words we need?
> [12:09] <JF> questions around vocab numbers - somewhat arbitrary.
> [12:10] <JF> nuanced definitions: one says the type of help, the other 
> is help options
> [12:11] <JF> one describes cognitive accessibility level, the other is 
> the types of help we have (i.e. "human help", the other might be "FAQ")
> [12:12] <JF> one is accessibility features of the content (ex: types 
> of symbols being used), the other is types of help (as above)
> [12:13] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 
> http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#inventory-user-needs
> [12:13] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
> [12:16] <JF> LSK: should we be looking to align with the Web Schemas 
> effort as well
> [12:17] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> q?
> [12:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
> [12:17] <JF> LSK: so the big question is where do we put the Help module?
> [12:17] <JF> JS: sounds like a solid step forward
> [12:18] <JF> LSK: kind of like having the table values in the same place
> [12:19] <JF> LSK: perhaps we should mark what has come as "help" types 
> (i.e Glossary = URI to glossary page)
> [12:19] <JF> perhaps separate the two and look at separately
> [12:20] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html#vocabulary-explanation
> [12:23] <JF> JF: there are many types of help, so perhaps we should be 
> "slivering" those out - i.e. define all the types of help we can imagine
> [12:25] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> overelap in module 1 
> :https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination
> [12:32] <JF> JF: this very much feels like a "Purpose, Use, or 
> Destination" question.
> [12:33] <JF> LSK: suggesting overlap with Module 1
> [12:34] <JF> LSK: suggest adding an Editor's note that indicates what 
> has moved in from the Help module
> [12:35] <JF> 3 options: 1) identify what comes from Help Types, 2) 
> make another column after tables, 3) make it back into 2 tables (types 
> of help, accessibility support)
> [12:35] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> action: lisa to add editor note 
> identifing what comes form  help type  so we merge it out into seprate 
> vocab or into 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination
> [12:35] * RRSAgent records action 1
> [12:37] == Roy [ran@public.cloak] has quit [Client closed connection]
> [12:37] * JF to add yourself to the queue type Q+
> [12:38] * JF if you want a reminder you can type "Q+ to say...blah, 
> blah, blah"
> [12:39] <JF> Sharon: agree that the 2 table suggestion makes it easier 
> to read. I'd also be interested in looking at the Purpose Use or 
> Destination effort, and apply it to other terms
> [12:40] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> lisa add ednot e we merge it out into 
> seprate vocab or into 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination
> [12:40] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> we mightb
> [12:41] <JF> RESOLUTION: will separate out the two tables (apologies 
> to Becky) to types of help, accessibility support. Lisa will add an 
> Editor's Note that we are not fully resolved here - this may still be 
> re-merged together or merged with something else
> [12:42] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> no merge until we fine tune it
> [12:43] == Roy [ran@public.cloak] has joined #personalization
> [12:44] <JF> zakim, take up next item
> [12:44] <Zakim> agendum 1. "tools module  (If ready)" taken up [from 
> LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [12:44] <JF> zakim, takeup item 3
> [12:44] <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup item 3', JF
> [12:44] <JF> zakim, take up item 3
> [12:44] <Zakim> agendum 3. "do we have all the opinions for 
> implementions at 
> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content" 
> <https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content%22> taken 
> up [from
> [12:44] <Zakim> ... LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
> [12:45] <JF> LSK: implementation s wiki page - collecting all the data 
> we looked at last week
> [12:45] <JF> this is a big task
> [12:45] <JF> we need to get this done however so that we can have a 
> structured conversation
> [12:45] <JF> LSK: added a new row - support for the proposals we have
> [12:45] <JF> this is a first draft
> [12:48] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> 
> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content
> [12:51] <JF> Task for this TF: review that page, and then add 
> additional bullets (but do not delete). If you have concerns or 
> issues, add to GitHub Issue tracker so that we can discuss this properly
> [12:53] <JF> Link Issue tracker items to the wiki page
> [12:53] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> and  link the git isse to the page
> [12:53] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> and add  link the git isse to the page
> [12:53] <JF> Once we are ready with this, we can have a structured 
> discussion about approach
> [12:55] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> michael?
> [12:55] <JF> LSK: if we add things to the implementation table, 
> perhaps Michael can edit the summary table
> [12:55] <JF> don't want to mess with the structure of that for now
> [12:56] <JF> LSK: (we can disagree with it, but if we start messing 
> with it we may cause additional issues)
> [12:56] <JF> so one of our first steps will then be to review 
> Michael's summary
> [12:57] <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public
> [12:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, JF
> [12:58] <JF> LSK: will ask Janina to add some content re: Media Queries
> [12:59] <JF> LSK: this does not have to be "definitive", add what we 
> know so that we can continue the discussion
> [13:00] * JF notes that I have to jump very soon - top of the hour now
> [13:01] <JF> JS: will try and get on this ASAP
> [13:01] <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public
> [13:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, JF
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> [13:01] <JF> trackbot, end meeting
> [13:02] <JF> trackbot, end meeting
> [13:02] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum>  rrsagent, create minutes
> [13:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate 
> https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-minutes.html LisaSeemanKestenbaum
> [13:03] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> zakim, please part
> [13:03] <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JF, 
> Roy, MichaelC, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, Sharon
> [13:03] == Zakim [zakim@public.cloak] has left #personalization []
> [13:03] <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> rrsagent, please part
> [13:03] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in 
> https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-actions.rdf :
> [13:03] <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to add editor note identifing what 
> comes form  help type  so we merge it out into seprate vocab or into 
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination [1]
> [13:03] <RRSAgent>   recorded in 
> https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-irc#T17-35-30
> [13:03] == RRSAgent [rrsagent@public.cloak] has left #personalization []
> [13:03] == Sharon [~Sharon@public.cloak] has quit ["Page closed"]
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> ​=== End Minutes ===​
>
> -- 
> John Foliot
> Principal Accessibility Strategist
> Deque Systems Inc.
> john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>
>
> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion