Re: Disciplines/Event code list

Done. Thanks, Ivan.

But, please note that this is just an example I created in order to
illustrate the complexity. Maybe we can pick up a subset of that proposal
(the IAAF official event types? the ones Tilastopaja has? other?)

Happy New Year!!

Martin

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:25 PM Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
> I could not edit the Event’s lists, no access. If you share write access I
> can put Ukr/Rus event names translation.
>
>
>
> Thank you and Happy New Year to everyone!
>
>
>
> *--------------------------------*
>
> *Ivan Kachkivskyi*
> *Official Ukrainian Statistician, **ATFS Member*
> E-mail:* ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>*
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>
> *From:* Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org]
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:05 PM
> *To:* Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* public-opentrack <public-opentrack@w3.org>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Disciplines/Event code list
>
>
>
> Thank you, Ivan. Very helpful.
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2017, 17:58 Ivan Kachkivskyi, <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sorry, missing attachment.
>
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> *--------------------------------*
>
> *Ivan Kachkivskyi*
> *Official Ukrainian Statistician, **ATFS Member*
> E-mail:* ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>*
> E-mail:* ivan@ivan.org.ua <ivan@ivan.org.ua>*
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> *From:* Ivan Kachkivskyi [mailto:ivan.work.mail@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:45 PM
> *To:* 'Martin Alvarez-Espinar' <martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org>
> *Cc:* 'public-opentrack' <public-opentrack@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Disciplines/Event code list
>
>
>
> Dear Martin, All
>
>
>
> I have attached IAAF Terms and abbreviations Appendix from IAAF Technical
> Delegates Guidelines. This could be helpful source of information for you,
> if you have not seen it before.
>
>
>
> *--------------------------------*
>
> *Ivan Kachkivskyi*
> *Official Ukrainian Statistician, **ATFS Member*
> E-mail:* ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>*
> E-mail:* ivan@ivan.org.ua <ivan@ivan.org.ua>*
> *www.ivan.org.ua <http://www.ivan.org.ua> *
>
>
>
> *From:* Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org
> <martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:03 PM
> *To:* Ivan Kachkivskyi <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>
>
> *Cc:* Andy Robinson <andy@reportlab.com>; public-opentrack <
> public-opentrack@w3.org>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Disciplines/Event code list
>
>
>
> Thanks, Ivan.
>
>
>
> I have to translate the names into English as well. The list I got is in
> Spanish. If we had it with multilingual descriptions it would be great.
> I'll clean the list up in order to make it more readable.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017, 18:33 Ivan Kachkivskyi, <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I can go across the lists to check with Ukraine event codes and maybe add
> Cyrillic translation of the events.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> *--------------------------------*
>
> *Ivan Kachkivskyi*
> *Official Ukrainian Statistician, **ATFS Member*
> E-mail:* ivan.work.mail@gmail.com <ivan.work.mail@gmail.com>*
> E-mail:* ivan@ivan.org.ua <ivan@ivan.org.ua>*
> *www.ivan.org.ua <http://www.ivan.org.ua> *
>
>
>
> *From:* Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:06 PM
> *To:* Andy Robinson <andy@reportlab.com>
> *Cc:* public-opentrack <public-opentrack@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Disciplines/Event code list
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> As promised, I requested the bulk of the Spanish DB with *all* official
> competitions in Spain, including youth sports. I aligned their model with
> my proposal and it fits almost perfect. Just some differences in the "venue
> type". It includes Cross Country, Road, and Mountain to the existing
> Outdoor, Indoor.
>
>
>
> In total, 695 different event types!!! Some of them may be simplified in
> my opinion. 100m outdoors is the same discipline for men and women, and the
> model has one per gender. That information of gender-age category is
> included in another aspect of the model.
>
>
>
> It includes the "official" disciplines but also some concrete ones, such
> as 'Basque Javelin Throw' or '2x30m round-trip' :-)
>
>
>
> I think we can find a unique representation of the common events, and
> offer the flexible extension for those who want to extend the model.
>
>
>
> Feel free to have a look and comment on the example:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OxjfZ4AkE8RTZc2mgBXLJhwdLD3pcwAC2V51hiHT_cU/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> After testing this, I will create an ETL to convert and export the tabular
> information into JSON (LD).
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:48 AM Martin Alvarez-Espinar <
> martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Andy.
>
>
>
> I've requested Spanish Federation a bulk of their DB of event types. They
> store over 600 different ones so perhaps is a good test to see the
> feasibility of both the model and codes.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:20 PM Andy Robinson <andy@reportlab.com> wrote:
>
> On 29 November 2017 at 10:52, Martin Alvarez-Espinar
> <martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In today's meeting, we discussed the need for having event codes. I think
> > this is crucial and we should define a set of disciplines or type of
> events
> > (please clarify the term, English speaking experts :)
>
> After very long argument last year between 'discipline' and 'event',
> we agreed to call these 'event codes'.  This is one area where you
> will be wrong and annoy 50% of the people whatever you choose, but we
> probably have thousands of lines of code with variables called
> 'event_code' in our app and the JSON.  Please let's not 'un-decide'
> that again!!!
>
>
> > 4) I didn't think about the codes, so Reportlab's are good to me, but
> every
> > single discipline must have a unique code. A code must be part of a URI.
> > Behind the URI, you will find the definition of the event.
>
> Please see what athlib and our platform are doing...
>
>       http://opentrack.run/athlib/build/html/eventcodes.html#event-codes
>
> What's missing from this is simply a compact "microformat" notation
> for the different hurdle height/spacings.
>
>
> >
> > So, for instance, '110m Hurdles Men' could be identified by the URI:
> > <https://w3c.github.io/opentrack/eventcode/110H36>
> >
> > the description of this discipline would be (complete description with
> > simplified notation):
> > {
> >   "type" : "Hurdles",
> >   "name": "110m Hurdles Men",
> >   "venueType" : "Outdoors",
> >   "lenght" : "100",
> >   "height" : "1.067",
> >   "spacing" : "9.14" <- units must be described properly
> > }
> >
> > We don't need to have an exhaustive DB at the beginning (just name and
> > taxonomy would be enough) but just the mechanism to be able to do it in
> the
> > future.
>
> Mirko also has a database table of about 100 different variants of
> events which lists the examples "found in the wild" so far.  It would
> be a great start.  What would be useful is notes on who uses that
> variation.  e.g. ("This spacing was used by Estonian U20 men from 19xx
> to 20yy")
>
>
> - Andy
>
>