RE: Competition Types [was Re: Meeting 22 Nov (09:00 UTC)]

Thanks Martin, that was quick.

I see tree different angles here:
 1) discipline (e.g., XC, Road Races, Indoor Track and Field, etc.)
 2) spatial/administrative scope (National, European, IAAF)
 3) nature of competition (League, Championships,…)
NL: should we consider the age group (master, U23, U20, U14…) at this level?

Our model already may cover (1) with the basic discipline taxonomy. Usually competition calendars include a filter for this. If the taxonomy is well defined is another issue :-)

(2) may be solved with a sub-property of "spatial coverage". The question here is if we should indicate either
(a) the level of coverage (National, International, Local)
NL: may be difficult to create pre-defined value for each country. Some countries may have county or region or area. To start with, we could have International Area/Continent, Sub-Area (in Europe: Balkan, Nordic, Baltic, G5,… ) National and maybe local to generalise the sub-national level
or
(b) the place itself (e.g., EEA-countries, IAAF-territories, Spain, France, Surrey county, etc.).
NL: as I understand, the location is defined under 6.13.1. Otherwise, how do you define Spain as it is an EAA-territory as well as an IAAF-territory

I'm not sure if we need (3).
NL: actually, this may be of importance. In fact, with the way we work, this parameter could call another layer of information:

  *   If this parameter (3) is Championships, we have enough definition with discipline, age group and level of coverage
  *   On the other hand, if the event is a meeting, we need to define who is the body recognising this event: IAAF level meeting (Diamond League and World Challenge), EA (EA Classic, Premium…), National permit…
There can be another level: the quality measure (‘label’) within the same type of events, recognised by a body. For instance, IAAF has different labels for its IAAF certified road races (https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-label-road-races) and EA has ‘standards’ for its recognised road races too (http://www.european-running4all.org/en/standards/).

The descriptive title may be enough. NL: it helps with additional information

So maybe a model like this would work:
[Level of Coverage] [discipline] [age group] [(if meeting) Body recognising] [Event Type]
e.g. National Combined Events U20 Championships
e.g. IAAF Road Race Bronze label

Nicolas Launois
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From: Martin Alvarez-Espinar [mailto:martin@w3.org]
Sent: mercredi, 22 novembre 2017 13:29
To: Nicolas Launois <nicolas.launois@european-athletics.org>
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Subject: Competition Types [was Re: Meeting 22 Nov (09:00 UTC)]

Thanks, Nicolas.


- As under Competition Feature Type (7.7), there is the following feature: "feature:A Performance achieved at altitude", wouldn't it be interesteting to add an optional attribute "Altitude" to the class Place (6.13), allowing to give the altitude information of a specific venue.

+1 as well.

Included a property "elevation" for venues. It already exists in schema.org<http://schema.org>. The document is updated:
https://w3c.github.io/opentrack-cg/spec/model/#geo-coordinates



- Does the data model allow to categorize the category of "competition" or "competition series" like it is done on the EA calendar ?(ex. World Championships, Area Championships, National Championships, IAAF meet, EAA meet, national label meet....). It doesn't bring value for that meet in itself, but that would be useful later, looking at the statistics angle, as it will allow to extract and group results of the same type. If all National championships from Europe are tagged as National Championships, you can filter those results easily from the mass of result files.That could also be useful to reflect a certain hierarchy of events at the time when the IAAF and EA are setting different meet categories for the purpose of the new athletes rankings. However, that would require to create a new list of values, so I'm not sure if that would fit in the high level definition of the data model.

+1

I opened an issue for this: https://github.com/w3c/opentrack-cg/issues/25


Apart from an aditional "type of competition" property, I see a common taxonomy with the main competitions.

I analysed the EAA's calendar of competitions and I see 53 categories of events (see file attached), such as:
* National Cross Country Championships (58)
* National Indoor Championships (113)
* National Mountain Running Championships (26)
* European Athletics Road Area Permit Races (7)
* IAAF Cross Country Permit Meetings (6)
* IAAF Diamond League Meetings (14)
…

I see tree different angles here:
 1) discipline (e.g., XC, Road Races, Indoor Track and Field, etc.)
 2) spatial/administrative scope (National, European, IAAF)
 3) nature of competition (League, Championships,…)

Our model already may cover (1) with the basic discipline taxonomy. Usually competition calendars include a filter for this. If the taxonomy is well defined is another issue :-)

(2) may be solved with a sub-property of "spatial coverage". The question here is if we should indicate either (a) the level of coverage (National, International, Local) or (b) the place itself (e.g., EEA-countries, IAAF-territories, Spain, France, Surrey county, etc.). Of course, both options need predefined values to achieve interoperability.

I'm not sure if we need (3). The descriptive title may be enough.

What do you think?

Best,

Martin