Re: Web annotations for physical texts

Ha! Thanks, Tim. From what I recall, there weren't any extensions to the WA
model needed for the project. I think that oa:TextQuoteSelector was the
only SpecificResource selector used. I see that Princeton's Digital
Humanities Center has launched a more ambitious Derrida project that
includes image annotations, but I'm not sure to what extent they are using
WA: https://derridas-margins.princeton.edu/.

--
Tim A. Thompson
Discovery Metadata Librarian
Yale University Library



On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 5:58 PM Cole, Timothy W <t-cole3@illinois.edu>
wrote:

> Of possible interest on this topic might be a small experiment that Tim
> Thompson (then at Princeton University Library, now at Yale University
> Library) and his colleagues did attempting to use the Web Annotations model
> to capture digitally the handwritten dedications (annotations) found in a
> collection of physical rare books at Princeton. They were particularly
> focused on identifying references in the bodies of the dedications to
> people, places and events that are represented in some way on the Web. It
> was only an experiment and as I recall it required some extensions to make
> Web Annotation work as they wanted, but if interested, see:
>
>   https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/LD4P/Princeton+-+Derrida%27s+library
>
>   https://github.com/pulcams/ld4p
>
>
>
> and if you are a near a library that has a subscription to Journal of
> Library metadata, Thompson, et al. published an article about the project
> here:
>
> https://doi.org/10.1080/19386389.2016.1258908
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Cole
>
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Benjamin Young <byoung@bigbluehat.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 4:16 PM
> *To:* Graham Klyne <gklyne@googlemail.com>; sgharms@stevengharms.com
> *Cc:* public-openannotation@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Web annotations for physical texts
>
>
>
> Glad to hear this is being explored! And thank you both for adding your
> thoughts here. Steven, special thanks to you for kicking this off (and
> great post, btw!). :)
>
>
>
> One option for books is to use URN's for the targets:
>
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/urn-namespaces.xhtml
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.iana.org_assignments_urn-2Dnamespaces_urn-2Dnamespaces.xhtml&d=DwMFAg&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=1SG5aXop0rkp_O1wnbIf7XweTLUSe9Z3aj8AqEIzm8c&m=EVNW3iuSYmx3j_7RAp0RMh4rdkIKXldktdocVtWbKG0&s=BKisInvstmeLre454YrWfH0dFILIEJT62OzcdyOzWvE&e=>
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>
> Of the ones registered there you'll find `isbn` and `issn` among several
> others.
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>
>
> The next steps (for physical things) is how you refine that target--into
> what Web Annotation Data Model calls a SpecificResource:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/#specificresource
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_TR_annotation-2Dvocab_-23specificresource&d=DwMFAg&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=1SG5aXop0rkp_O1wnbIf7XweTLUSe9Z3aj8AqEIzm8c&m=EVNW3iuSYmx3j_7RAp0RMh4rdkIKXldktdocVtWbKG0&s=wyn-RdSf622lNSwYGZjBmh7OV-jcrholGaVa9jMywdM&e=>
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>
>
> Essentially, those are a target.source (the URN above), and some sort of
> "selector" (or locator). That's where the invention and exploration
> probably need the most work. :) Usually, for print, that's some combination
> of page number, line number, and/or exact quote (or text range, etc).
>
>
>
> I'd be very curious to see this explored more, and hope that I and others
> here can help in that in some way. :)
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing your hopes here!
>
> Benjamin
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> *From:* Graham Klyne <gklyne@googlemail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 5:04 PM
> *To:* sgharms@stevengharms.com
> *Cc:* public-openannotation@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Web annotations for physical texts
>
>
>
> I'm currently doing some linked data work using Web Annotations applied to
> physical places, and I'm not seeing any real problems with this (just a
> need to be clear what a URI is referring to).  I'm actually finding them to
> be quite a powerful tool for capturing contextualised descriptions in
> linked data (with a modest additions).
>
>
>
> #g.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 21:46 Steven Harms, <sgharms@stevengharms.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
>
>
> I am interested in creating annotations on physical books [1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__stevengharms.com_research_semweb-2Dtopic_problem-5Fstatement_&d=DwMFAg&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=1SG5aXop0rkp_O1wnbIf7XweTLUSe9Z3aj8AqEIzm8c&m=EVNW3iuSYmx3j_7RAp0RMh4rdkIKXldktdocVtWbKG0&s=I-gf2hS5jLbpw2TPKImJ9xzyw6kCkh6YCcI8tjnnmNI&e=>
> ].
>
>
>
> As the name "web annotations" suggests, the default target of the Web
> Annotation Working Group would be, of course, to annotation IRI-referable
> targets with IRI-identifiable Annotations.
>
>
>
> 1. Is there a model whereby we could point to a physical resource in a URI
> / IRI format (and thus join the existing Web Annotation universe, *or*
>
> 2. Is there a framework that might support referring to physical books
> that I've simply not found
> 3. Or should I plan to use JSON-LD to create "forge my own path?"
>
>
>
> I hope to post an example of what #3 might look like, but I'd like to
> double check my understanding before engaging in in such an effort, *tabula
> rasa*.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Steven
>
>
>
>
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> [1]: https://stevengharms.com/research/semweb-topic/problem_statement/
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>
> --
>
> Steven G. Harms
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