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Re: Open Annotation RDFa (again)

From: Benjamin Young <bigbluehat@hypothes.is>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:18:58 -0400
Message-ID: <CAE3H5FLoVOLoDzBPZLgvE4mOv7FOScuRq36s_8Pyp+SmyO4Dxg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Cc: public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>
Hey Paolo (et al),

I've added two links (and soon actual wiki pages) for two things I'd like
to catalog:
https://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/Serializations#HTML

The two pages are:
 - Found commentary / annotation HTML artifacts:
   - intended for existing markup from various popular CMS's / sites
   - would be the foundation for "peppering" in RDFa (or other) semantics
 - HTML annotation related elements and attributes:
   - past, present, and future annotation / commentary representations
   - examples:
     - <mark>
     - <aside>
     - rel="annotation" rel="reply" (from HTML 1.1):
       - http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-iiir-html-00

Having that cataloged may help us as we look toward iteration-based
exploration of the OA data model.

Help with these pages is *very* welcome. :)

Thanks!
Benjamin
--
Developer Advocate
http://hypothes.is/


On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com
> wrote:

> +1 I think mapping to existing HTML 'templates' would be extremely
> valuable... if not crucial.
>
> Paolo
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Benjamin Young <bigbluehat@hypothes.is>
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed!
>>
>> I'll be "surfacing" any iteration I make on this representation to (at
>> least) the list, and if it seems valuable onto the wiki.
>>
>> One particular interest--beyond just understanding OA in RDFa in
>> general--is determining how best to map it into existing ("found") HTML--as
>> seen in current distributions of WordPress, Drupal, etc.
>>
>> The goal being to map (as much as possible) OA in RDFa into that markup
>> without disturbing the style or even structure (where possible) of the
>> existing markup.
>>
>> That's obviously a much harder thing, so I decided to start with "new"
>> markup. But that was mostly for me and (by extension) Hypothes.is as I hope
>> to get the "ideal" RDFa (+ our styling / structure needs) into our markup
>> output.
>>
>> That's the backstory. :) I'll be raising questions here, for sure.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Benjamin
>> --
>> Developer Advocate
>> http://hypothes.is/
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Paolo Ciccarese <
>> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Benjamin,
>>> I think it would be good to have that discussion directly on this
>>> mailing list if that makes sense to you.
>>> If you have access to the wiki, you are also welcome to update/extend
>>> that page accordingly.
>>>
>>> In that page I incorporated already feedback from community members
>>> including Ivan Herman.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Paolo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Benjamin Young <bigbluehat@hypothes.is
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Paolo! Not sure how I'd missed that...I'd been looking at the
>>>> newer WG wiki:
>>>> https://www.w3.org/annotation/wiki/
>>>> ...and apparently didn't dig deep enough into the mailing list archives.
>>>>
>>>> Doug Schepers pointed me to this thread:
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2014Jan/0037.html
>>>>
>>>> Which I think was the genesis of the examples on the wiki page you
>>>> linked to.
>>>>
>>>> I'll process all of that as "feedback." :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again, Paolo,
>>>> Benjamin
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Paolo Ciccarese <
>>>> paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Benjamin,
>>>>> here is a wiki page on the RDFa topic:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/RDFa
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Paolo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Benjamin Young <
>>>>> bigbluehat@hypothes.is> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found and read through an earlier thread I found in the list
>>>>>> archives on a possible RDFa representation of the OA Core Data Model. I'd
>>>>>> already crafted one of my own, and found that the RDF/graph output was
>>>>>> similar--hopefully it's accurate too! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote up the exploration in a blog post:
>>>>>> https://hypothes.is/blog/open-annotation-rdfa-using-hypothes-is-json/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm using our (Hypothes.is) JSON document as a foundation, then
>>>>>> piping it through Mustache.js, and out into HTML+RDFa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The hope is to explore a basic RDFa representation of OA, so we can
>>>>>> begin encouraging CMS plugins (etc) to publish whatever comments and
>>>>>> annotations they have in some form of RDF. "Peppering" some new markup into
>>>>>> existing comment templates seemed like low hanging fruit. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once it's there, hopefully others out here making OA-focused tooling
>>>>>> can harvest that data and do useful things with it--in or out of the
>>>>>> browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback is very welcome, as I hope to make this better, and share
>>>>>> the output with a wider audience once the dust settles on this idea. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Benjamin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr. Paolo Ciccarese
>>>>> Assistant Professor of Neurology, Harvard Medical School
>>>>> Assistant in Neuroscience, Massachusetts General Hospital
>>>>> Senior Information Scientist, MGH Biomedical Informatics Core
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