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Re: oa:List spec

From: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 07:53:34 -0400
Message-ID: <CAFPX2kC2EAHkzUTiFvbbWu45tPxHQ2=nywa=24S_f1AehkMp+A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>
Cc: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>
The answer (posted a few hours ago):
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013May/0017.html



On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Agreed. It's a difficult problem to evaluate the effects of changing the
> model in order to make implementation easier, and hence adoption hopefully
> greater, rather than to incorporate a use case where it's very clear.
>
> The JSON-LD folk don't seem keen on even discussing lists.
> eg:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013Apr/0048.html
> got precisely zero responses.
>
> So I'm very happy to leave it alone and wait until we have further
> feedback on the model from various sources to inform our decisions in cases
> like these.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I agree that the turtle is incorrect, but not what is incorrect :)
>>>
>>> The typo is the use of []s rather than ()s which imply a collection and
>>> rdf:nil
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/**TeamSubmission/turtle/#sec-**collections<http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/#sec-collections>
>>>
>>> Thus the correction would be:
>>>
>>> <list1>  a oa:List, rdf:List ;
>>>      oa:item<selector1>,<selector2>  ;
>>>      rdf:first<selector1>  ;
>>>      rdf:rest (<selector2>  ) .
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> OK!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> This does bring up the question as to whether the list should be the
>>> object, or should be referenced from the object.
>>>
>>> In other words should the above instead be:
>>>
>>> <list1> a oa:List ;
>>> oa:item <selector1>, <selector2> ;
>>> oa:hasList (selector1 selector2) .
>>>
>>> Which might serialize more naturally, but would be a departure from the
>>> other multiplicity objects.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not very much in favor of reverting our previous choice for
>> serialization-based reasons only...
>>
>> Antoine
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:
>>> aisaac@few.vu.nl>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Rob,
>>>
>>>     You are right, well spotted!
>>>     The rdf:nil should indeed be present to indicate that the list is
>>> "closed".
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>
>>>     Antoine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         I \think/ the following is meaningful and right about
>>>         http://www.openannotation.org/**__spec/core/20130208/__**
>>> multiplicity.html#List<http://www.openannotation.org/__spec/core/20130208/__multiplicity.html#List><
>>> http://www.openannotation.**org/spec/core/20130208/**
>>> multiplicity.html#List<http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/20130208/multiplicity.html#List>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>         1. The turtle example doesn't specify that the list ends in
>>> rdf:nil
>>>         although the picture does. I think you need something like
>>>         rdf:rest [ rdf:first<selector2> ;
>>>         rdf:rest rdf:nil ]
>>>         as the end of<list1>
>>>
>>>         2. Well, the spec doesn't actually require or even suggest an
>>> oa:List
>>>         should be terminated by rdf:nil, but IMO it would be a good help
>>> for
>>>         consumers. Maybe those looking at the rdf ordering problem
>>> already
>>>         have discussed this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>         --
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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