Re: [ontolex] Modellin collocations

Hi Thierry, Julia, all,

I think this is what the decomp module does:

https://www.w3.org/2016/05/ontolex/#components

The example given there is the Spanish 'comunidad autonoma', where the
adjective 'autonomo' has a feminine agreement. The modelling is done by
adding LexInfo properties to the component.

This is different from FormRestrictions, which also limit the meaning of a
word to only applying to certain forms, e.g., 'goods' is only used in the
plural. In "bolnišnica za živali", I assume the head (bolnišnica) is free
to take any number or case and hence there is no lexico-semantic
restriction on the multiword expression.

Regards,
John

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 17:02, Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es> wrote:

> Hi Thierry,
>
> If I understood this right, in this case we are not dealing with
> morpho-syntactic features of an entry when used in a specific
> ontolex:LexicalSense (we would use lexicog:FormRestriction in that case),
> but you just want to indicate that *živali* in *za živali* (in the MW *bolnišnica
> za živali* ) must be in accusative plural. If that is the case,  I am
> wondering whether here we could just indicate that the second
> decomp:subterm of *bolnišnica za živali* is the lexical entry *za*, and
> describe that preposition by indicating that it assigns accusative case to
> its nominal complements. At first it looks like the fact that *živali* is
> in accusative plural depends mostly on the use of *za* (?). If so, the
> restriction on *case* we are referring to is not particular to this MW,
> but concerns the grammar of prepositions. For *bolnišnica za živali* a
> potential way of encoding this information would be to list the components
> in order and indicate at the :za lexical entry level that it requires
> accusative (or turning to the synsem module to specify a
> lexinfo:NounPPFrame to record that *bolnišnica *takes a PP headed by a
> *:za* marker).
>
> I am struggling with the *plural* feature and where to record this,
> though: in Spanish,* estación de autobuses* (bus station) requires plural
> in *autobuses (?? estación de autobús)*, but *parada de autobús *(bus
> stop) is used in both singular and plural, probably because of the
> difference between a "station" (always for more than one bus line) and a
> "stop" (for at least one bus line). So I agree there should be a mechanism
> to represent that *bolnišnica *takes a za PP with a noun in plural, maybe
> this would be information to address with synsem elements, as well?
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best,
>
> Julia
>
> El jue., 11 jul. 2019 a las 14:47, Thierry Declerck (<declerck@dfki.de>)
> escribió:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I had just some sessions with Simon Krek on Slovenian Collocations/MWE
>> and how to represent those in OntoLex-Lemon.
>> I think for most of the data we have good solutions.
>> Only a bit unclear to me how to model restrictions that are to be
>> applied on a Collocation/MWE. An example is the expression "Hospital for
>> Animals" (bolnišnica za živali {@slv}).
>> On the third component of this expression there is a form restriction:
>> it should be used only in accusative and plural.
>> I would ot use the restriction mechanism described in Lexicog, but then
>> the domain of the property would be a decomp:Component (and the range is
>> a form, as foreseen)
>> Another thing that could be useful: define the restrictions
>> independently of a specific form. It would just list the two relevant
>> aspect here: plural and accusative. Then we would need a mechamis that
>> goes from the lemma to the corresponding form (the lemma, or headword,
>> is given by the decomp:subterm property.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Thierry
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Julia Bosque Gil
> PhD Student
> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>