Re: Ontolex as an ISO international standard

Hi all,

I agree that the ISO process is lengthy and time consuming (I worked on 
LMF during 5 years) but there are some positive points:
* to have the opportunity to meet a lot of people,
* to confront the specification to different theoretical views, 
languages and intended uses.

Concerning the technical remark coming from Thierry, I totally agree 
with him: it is a complete non-sense for me also to represent data which 
are both semasiological and onomasiological like Lemon and LMF following 
a hierarchical schema like TEI-XML. I was also surprised when I saw the 
title of this ISO project. Every student in computer science knows that: 
we cannot represent a graph with a tree. It's not more complex that that.

We have a lot of computers and phones, terabytes of disks, fancy 
displays: but we still cannot represent a graph with a tree (or wake me 
up when it will be possible ;-) ).

Bonne journée,
Gil

Le 03/11/2016 à 06:53, Felix Sasaki a écrit :
>> Am 02.11.2016 um 21:00 schrieb Thierry Declerck <declerck@dfki.de>:
>>
>> On 02.11.2016 20:25, Christian Chiarcos wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>> Hi Philipp, Paul, I fully support this move.
>>> Standardizing Ontoles is a logical and necessary next step, and most
>>> people would probably welcome it. The question is whether ISO is ideal for
>>> the purpose.
>>>
>>>> BTW, is ISO going to take the spec as it is, and propose a standard, or it will only be the starting point of the notoriously lengthy and tiring work of an ISO committee?
>> Dear Christian, Aldo, all,
>>
>> Myself I have been rather against this step, but feeling unsure about it.
>> At least I could contribute from Austria.
>> One aspect was also that DIN (the German ISO Branch) wanted to have money from participating organizations (and at the end selling the standards).... So that I stepped out from DIN.
> Same here.
>
>> I would prefer to continue the W3C path, but if not possible, then why not getting the ISO stamp.
>> There are ways to make sure that some ISO standards are not closed, using the informative parts vs the normative part.
>> In the informative part one could for example serialize the model (for exemplifying it) . And well not a big deal  then to "reverse" a ttl or RDF/XML back to the ontology.
> If the aim to publish an ontology, FYI, there is a related W3C workshop coming up:
>
> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/
>
> - Felix
>
>> One thing I know is that  a new ISO item for LMF is planned ( to be serialized it in TEI-XML, which I think  is a non-sense, since TEI is hierarchical and purely semasiological. And LMF and Lemon support both semasiological and onomasiologcal approaches to the lexicon).
>> So: going for ISO-Lemon/ontolex might lead to interesting debates within the corresponding ISO committee :-)
>>> Well, we (or, at least, *someone*) probably cannot avoid the latter, do
>>> we? In any case, the ISO standardization suffers from insufficient
>>> transparency, also with respect to sharing and commenting drafts. I
>>> remember TC37/SC4 drafts should not have been disseminated at some point,
>>> and some server had to be switched off to prevent people from accessing
>>> them. If we can make sure (!) that the ISO standardization process does
>>> not hamper community involvement (at least at an informal level), I am
>>> inclined to support it. Even though it means that the development process
>>> will be partially taken from the hands of the current (open) community
>>> (that's also what ISO means).
>>>
>>> Does anyone has personal experience with the double ISO-W3C
>>> standardization processes?
>> No, but I found this: http://www.iso.org/iso/news.htm?refid=Ref1670 (no time to read it right now)
>> Cheers
>>
>> Thierry
>>> Best,
>>> Christian
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