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Re: Draft Charter "Completed"

From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:30:27 -0600
Cc: "McKee, Randall G" <mckeerg@chevron.com>, "public-oilgaschem@w3.org" <public-oilgaschem@w3.org>
Message-Id: <1EC6197C-0747-400B-8CE9-440499E96FAA@w3.org>
To: Roger Cutler <rogercutler@gmail.com>

On 12 Dec 2011, at 10:02 AM, Roger Cutler wrote:

> I had the charter changed about five minutes after I got Ian's email.  Actually, since the W3C is usually pretty strong on getting input from the public I put that in because I sort of thought I had to.  Glad to find out I didn't.

Of course you will want public feedback, etc. I was just pushing back on the contributions bit. Thanks!

Ian

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> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:52 AM, McKee, Randall G <mckeerg@chevron.com> wrote:
> I agree with Ian, I think, about contributions from non-members. If it becomes a problem it could always be revisited with an amendment to the charter, right?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Jacobs [mailto:ij@w3.org]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: Roger Cutler
> Cc: public-oilgaschem@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Draft Charter "Completed"
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> On 8 Dec 2011, at 1:35 PM, Roger Cutler wrote:
> 
> > I have responded to these suggestions in the charter.  You may want to check the section on POC's in the Deliverables section -- I'm not positive that this is correct yet.  It did seem useful to me to indicate that the legal framework for this kind of collaboration could be an issue that needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis, although I didn't say exactly that.
> 
> The charter says: "Contributions (e.g. ontologies, use cases, proof of concept demonstrations) may be submitted either by group members or from the public."
> 
>   I urge you not to do that. If you want to contribute, you join the group. It's costly to try to go back and get commitments after the fact. And if people want to contribute, isn't that the most important part of participating in the group?
> 
> Ian
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> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 7 Dec 2011, at 10:05 AM, Roger Cutler wrote:
> >
> > > I have roughed out a more-or-less complete draft charter for the Oil, Gas and Chemicals Business Group.  Comments and suggestions are most welcome, and in fact you can get into the Wiki page and edit it yourself.  As previously stated, however, if you do edit the charter it would be friendly to send me (and this discussion group) an email indicating in a general way "what" was done and if relevant "why".  There is no intention at this time to limit your editing -- I just want to be able to keep track of what's going on without digging through the change logs.  I say "at this time" because I think that the group could decide to define an "editor" function that has more control over certain documents, and in fact if we start developing deliverable documents I personally think that this might turn out to be desirable simply from a logistic point of view.  That's pretty much consistent with the way I think most WG's and IG's do things in the W3C, and probably with processes in most other collaboration environments.  [Ian:  Should this discussion go into the charter?]
> > >
> > > Note that the list of potential topics in the Scope section is pretty rough.  Help is particularly requested in this area, which one might actually consider the "meatiest" section of the charter.
> > >
> > > The most significant lack is probably in the "Dependencies and Liaisons" section.  It seems to me that it might be a good idea to make a separate page in the Wiki for this, particularly to document the various industry consortia and what kind of connection they have with Semantic Web technology.  At the moment, however, I'm tired of typing.
> > >
> > > Note that there is a separate Why Work in This Venue wiki page which is linked from the mission section of the charter.
> > >
> > > Ian:  You probably should read this draft fairly carefully.  I have included some statements that I think are consistent with W3C process, but I'm not positive.  Note particularly the discussion of "Contributions" in the Communications section.  I think that this is consistent with the spirit of the definition of BG's and CG's, but I was unable to find any statements on this that were completely clear to me.  If this section is not OK I think we need to work this issue.  I hope it's clear to you what my concerns here are.  Note also that I am using the words "contributions" and "submissions" pretty much interchangeably, and I'm not sure whether that's OK either.
> >
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > First, thanks for putting this together. Charters are not required by BG or CG process, but I think they will be useful. It also helps me to see which bits need further explanation, etc.
> >
> > Some notes
> >
> > 1) "Policy with respect to patents and other intellectual property are covered by the Contributor License Agreement (CLA).". Please note that there are two agreements; the FSA is voluntary but the CLA sets expectations about its use.
> >
> > 2) "Here is a rough summary of primary similarities and differences between the W3C Patent Policy and the Community Group IPR policies.". I don't think that's so useful here. I'm not sure that the audience will be existing W3C Members who therefore need help understanding the differences from the policy they know.
> >
> > 3) I would therefore propose to just link to the cla, the fsa (final spec agreement), faq, and be done with it.
> >
> > 4) I am working on the process for publishing CG/BG specifications. I'm happy to tell you about it later; it's not complicated.  There will be UI to register a specification; we will display the specification information (and link to it wherever it is) on the group's home. And when the group publishes a final spec, there will be a form for making final spec commitments.
> >
> > 5) The only bit that concerned me is that "contributions" might not be public. At some point you will need to make public the group's specification (drafts, final version) and they would be public at that point. I want to see if you share this expectation:
> >   a) The "date of a contribution" will be the date when it is contributed to the group (whether public or not).
> >   b) The "date of inclusion" is when a contribution is actually included in a specification (at which point it will be public).
> >
> >  I call out these 2 dates since they are relevant within the CLA.
> >
> > 6) Remove "Team Contact" from the table at the top; BGs don't have Team Contacts.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ian
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> > Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
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