Re: Party: Assignee=everyone

This sounds like something perhaps could be added to the vocabulary to indicate the conceptual Party representing 'everyone' and which can be used as a @uid wherever that's needed?

M.

On  2013-Sep-17, at 16:24, Dave.Compton@thomsonreuters.com wrote:

> Hi
>  
> 1/ As we don?t want to always tie this to a specific @uid, is the following correct?
> a/  Change type from ?set? to ?offer?
> b/ omit o:party[ @function="ov:assignee ]
> <!--
> Scenario: The EPA {assigner} allows anyone {assignee} to distribute {action} a picture {target-asset} in Germany {constraint}.
> So as an Offer this then becomes:
> -->
> <o:policy uid="http://epa.eu/cv/policy/1" type="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/vocab#offer" xmlns:o="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/2/" xmlns:ov="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/vocab#" xmlns:rml="http://iptc.org/std/RightsML/2011-10-07/" xmlns:p="http://example.com/RightsML/vocabulary/proprietary1" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/2/ http://www.iptc.org/std-dev/RightsML/1.0EP/specification/ODRL_2.0.xsd">
>    <o:permission>
>       <o:asset uid="urn:newsml:epa.eu:20090101:120111-999-000013" relation="ov:target"/>
>       <o:action name="rml:distribute"/>
>       <o:constraint name="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/vocab#spatial" operator="ov:eq"
>        rightOperand="http://cvx.iptc.org/iso3166-1a3/DEU"/>
>       <o:party uid="http://g2.dpa.com/cv/dpaparty/epa" function="ov:assigner"/>
>    </o:permission>
> </o:policy>
>  
> 2. Agreement / scope
>  
> > If you actually want to say "everyone", there is the @scope attribute [1] with value "all", but usually needs a context (via @uid).
>  
> For an agreement: If an assignee (with @uid) is added, is scope=all explicitly needed? Or does the absence of party /@scope implicitly mean ?all people in the context of the party defined by party /@uid??
>  
> Many thanks
> DC
>  
> From: Renato Iannella [mailto:ri@semanticidentity.com] 
> Sent: 26 July 2013 06:10
> To: Compton, Dave J. (TR Technology)
> Cc: public-odrl@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Party: Assignee=everyone
>  
>  
> On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:14, dave.compton@thomsonreuters.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Question: For the case of assignee=everyone, what is the correct approach?
> a/ Omit o:party[ @function=?ov:assignee? ] ?
> b/ Include o:party[ @function=?ov:assignee? ] with some wild-carding of the @uid ?
> c/ Other?
>  
> When you leave out the Assignee, then you are making no statement as to who that is.
> This is typically ok for the Offer policy type (for example).
>  
> If you actually want to say "everyone", there is the @scope attribute [1] with value "all", but usually needs a context (via @uid).
>  
> However, if you are just making an "Offer" then leaving out assignee is fine....if you want to express an "Agreement" then you may need to define a uid for your context.
>  
> Cheers...
> Renato Iannella
> Semantic Identity
> http://semanticidentity.com
> Mobile: +61 4 1313 2206
>  
> [1] http://www.w3.org/community/odrl/two/vocab/#section-24
> 
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This sounds like something perhaps could be added to the vocabulary to indicate the conceptual Party representing 'everyone' and which can be used as a @uid wherever that's needed?

M.

On  2013-Sep-17, at 16:24, Dave.Compton@thomsonreuters.com wrote:

> Hi
>  
> 1/ As we don’t want to always tie this to a specific @uid, is the following correct?
> a/  Change type from ‘set’ to ‘offer’
> b/ omit o:party[ @function="ov:assignee ]
> <!--
> Scenario: The EPA {assigner} allows anyone {assignee} to distribute {action} a picture {target-asset} in Germany {constraint}.
> So as an Offer this then becomes:
> -->
> <o:policy uid="http://epa.eu/cv/policy/1" type="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/vocab#offer" xmlns:o="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/2/" xmlns:ov="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/vocab#" xmlns:rml="http://iptc.org/std/RightsML/2011-10-07/" xmlns:p="http://example.com/RightsML/vocabulary/proprietary1" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/2/ http://www.iptc.org/std-dev/RightsML/1.0EP/specification/ODRL_2.0.xsd">
>    <o:permission>
>       <o:asset uid="urn:newsml:epa.eu:20090101:120111-999-000013" relation="ov:target"/>
>       <o:action name="rml:distribute"/>
>       <o:constraint name="http://w3.org/ns/odrl/vocab#spatial" operator="ov:eq"
>        rightOperand="http://cvx.iptc.org/iso3166-1a3/DEU"/>
>       <o:party uid="http://g2.dpa.com/cv/dpaparty/epa" function="ov:assigner"/>
>    </o:permission>
> </o:policy>
>  
> 2. Agreement / scope
>  
> > If you actually want to say "everyone", there is the @scope attribute [1] with value "all", but usually needs a context (via @uid).
>  
> For an agreement: If an assignee (with @uid) is added, is scope=all explicitly needed? Or does the absence of party /@scope implicitly mean ‘all people in the context of the party defined by party /@uid’?
>  
> Many thanks
> DC
>  
> From: Renato Iannella [mailto:ri@semanticidentity.com] 
> Sent: 26 July 2013 06:10
> To: Compton, Dave J. (TR Technology)
> Cc: public-odrl@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Party: Assignee=everyone
>  
>  
> On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:14, dave.compton@thomsonreuters.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Question: For the case of assignee=everyone, what is the correct approach?
> a/ Omit o:party[ @function=”ov:assignee” ] ?
> b/ Include o:party[ @function=”ov:assignee” ] with some wild-carding of the @uid ?
> c/ Other?
>  
> When you leave out the Assignee, then you are making no statement as to who that is.
> This is typically ok for the Offer policy type (for example).
>  
> If you actually want to say "everyone", there is the @scope attribute [1] with value "all", but usually needs a context (via @uid).
>  
> However, if you are just making an "Offer" then leaving out assignee is fine....if you want to express an "Agreement" then you may need to define a uid for your context.
>  
> Cheers...
> Renato Iannella
> Semantic Identity
> http://semanticidentity.com
> Mobile: +61 4 1313 2206
>  
> [1] http://www.w3.org/community/odrl/two/vocab/#section-24
> 
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