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Re: News industry requirement: action "license"

From: Jim Earley <xml.jim@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:12:26 -0700
Message-ID: <CAFbxkZSK3_NxfHxY7Xz5dPjwXdPNNgK13S1tguA1v2GnFVRZbw@mail.gmail.com>
To: cindy.lewis@me.com
Cc: Michael Steidl <mdirector@iptc.org>, public-odrl@w3.org
I agree that license seems to be a valid action to be included to the ODRL
action namespace in a generic form.  In any case, it should be relatively
easy to specify a new action with another namespace, e.g., "
http://iptc.org/odrl/actions#license".

That said, my experience with some publishers is that licensing can be a
sticky topic.  In that vein, there are various forms of licensing they may
engage in (either as the licensee or licensor), and it may of interest to
them to differentiate between these licenses by way of differentiated
namspaces.

Jim


On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, <cindy.lewis@me.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Michael.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Nov 12, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Michael Steidl (IPTC) <mdirector@iptc.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Cindy****
>
> Re 1) usage and time limitation can be expressed by ODRL’s permission
> structure. You have to be aware that the actions “lease”, “sell” etc are
> defined by the ODRL Common Vocabulary = a controlled vocabulary. Therefore:
> a) check your spelling as the strings are actually identifiers, uppercase
> makes the term invalid, and b) each term has a definition, if the
> definition of “lease” is “for a fixed period” then a user must not apply
> “no time limitations” but define for which time exactly the lease applies.
> ****
>
> Re 2) “share” was proposed by Stephen, from IPTC’s needs it does not help.
> ****
>
> Re 3) This discussion is not about terminology but about members of a
> controlled vocabulary and as a term is also an identifier it cannot ever be
> changed.****
>
> Michael****
>
> *From:* cindy.lewis@me.com [mailto:cindy.lewis@me.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 12, 2012 2:54 PM
> *To:* Stephen Downes
> *Cc:* public-odrl@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: News industry requirement: action "license"****
> ** **
> Dear Michael,****
> ** **
> 1. Do Rights Managed asset licenses fall under the scope of your test? If
> so, how will you express finite licenses--usage of an asset for a specific
> usage and period of time? Will use the word "Lease" in conjunction with a
> pre-defined usage term?****
> ** **
> 2. It seems to me that "Share", is a specific type of "Lease", under your
> terminology.****
> ** **
> 3. Why not use the word "License" instead of "Lease". It seems much
> clearer.****
> ** **
> ** **
> Cindy****
> ** **
> On Nov 9, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Stephen Downes <stephen@downes.ca> wrote:****
>
>
> ****
> Hiya all,
>
> I would create four types of actions;
>
> - sell
> - lease
> - share
> - give
>
> The 'share' action covers cases where use rigths are granted, with terms,
> but without compensation, and without transfer of title, as for example
> under Creative Commons.
>
> -- Stephen
>
>
> On 09/11/2012 5:58 AM, Michael Steidl (IPTC) wrote:****
>
> Hi ODRLers:****
>  ****
> The RightsML group of IPTC is currently running an Experimental Phase of
> this standard which builds on ODRL.****
> One of the feedbacks is: how to express that content is licensed to a
> party:****
> -          The ODRL action “sell” defines that it is about trading an
> asset – which is understood by the legislation of many countries the a full
> transition of the ownership is executed. This is not the case for licensing.
> ****
> -          The ODR action “lease” defines that an asset is made available
> for a fixed period of time. The licensing of news content is in most cases
> in perpetuity.****
> -          The ODR action “give” defines the period as “in perpetuity” –
> but “without exchange of value”, which is not the business model of most
> news providers ;-)****
>  ****
> Please point at any existing actions with an appropriate definition or
> please think about adding this action to the ODRL vocabulary:****
> Name: license****
> Definition: The act of making available the asset to a third-party in
> perpetuity with exchange of value.****
>  ****
> Thanks,****
>  ****
> Michael****
>  ****
> *Michael Steidl*****
> Managing Director of the IPTC [mdirector@iptc.org]****
> International Press Telecommunications Council
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> Business office address:****
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>  ****
>
>
> --****
> ------------------------------
> *Stephen Downes*
> Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada
> stephen@downes.ca ~ http://www.downes.ca
> *Free Learning*****
>
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>
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