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RE: News industry requirement: action "license"

From: Michael Steidl \(IPTC\) <mdirector@iptc.org>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:49:25 +0100
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Hi Cindy


Re 1) usage and time limitation can be expressed by ODRL's permission
structure. You have to be aware that the actions "lease", "sell" etc are
defined by the ODRL Common Vocabulary = a controlled vocabulary. Therefore:
a) check your spelling as the strings are actually identifiers, uppercase
makes the term invalid, and b) each term has a definition, if the definition
of "lease" is "for a fixed period" then a user must not apply "no time
limitations" but define for which time exactly the lease applies.


Re 2) "share" was proposed by Stephen, from IPTC's needs it does not help.


Re 3) This discussion is not about terminology but about members of a
controlled vocabulary and as a term is also an identifier it cannot ever be




From: cindy.lewis@me.com [mailto:cindy.lewis@me.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:54 PM
To: Stephen Downes
Cc: public-odrl@w3.org
Subject: Re: News industry requirement: action "license"


Dear Michael,


1. Do Rights Managed asset licenses fall under the scope of your test? If
so, how will you express finite licenses--usage of an asset for a specific
usage and period of time? Will use the word "Lease" in conjunction with a
pre-defined usage term?


2. It seems to me that "Share", is a specific type of "Lease", under your


3. Why not use the word "License" instead of "Lease". It seems much clearer.





On Nov 9, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Stephen Downes <stephen@downes.ca> wrote:

Hiya all,

I would create four types of actions;

- sell  
- lease
- share
- give

The 'share' action covers cases where use rigths are granted, with terms,
but without compensation, and without transfer of title, as for example
under Creative Commons.

-- Stephen

On 09/11/2012 5:58 AM, Michael Steidl (IPTC) wrote:

Hi ODRLers:


The RightsML group of IPTC is currently running an Experimental Phase of
this standard which builds on ODRL.

One of the feedbacks is: how to express that content is licensed to a party:

-          The ODRL action "sell" defines that it is about trading an asset
- which is understood by the legislation of many countries the a full
transition of the ownership is executed. This is not the case for licensing.

-          The ODR action "lease" defines that an asset is made available
for a fixed period of time. The licensing of news content is in most cases
in perpetuity.

-          The ODR action "give" defines the period as "in perpetuity" - but
"without exchange of value", which is not the business model of most news
providers ;-)


Please point at any existing actions with an appropriate definition or
please think about adding this action to the ODRL vocabulary:

Name: license

Definition: The act of making available the asset to a third-party in
perpetuity with exchange of value.






Michael Steidl

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