Re: When does a library become a prollyfill?, was Re: Deliverables Re: TPAC

On Jul 30, 2013 3:55 AM, "Marcos Caceres" <w3c@marcosc.com> wrote:
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> On Friday, July 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Brian Kardell wrote:
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> > I think we are conflating two things here... Things would have to
graduate to caniuse as it exists now at least it is for things with w3c
drafts and I think generally at least an experimental impl by some vendor.
We are talking about fills for things of all levels of proposal maturity
here where they can compete a bit.
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> > For example, hitch has fills for things in the selectors level 5+ wiki,
there isn't even a draft yet - and things for which there isn't even that
level of w3c commit yet.
> Just thinking out loud here: I  guess this raises the question as to when
a library becomes a prollyfill? Does it even matter?
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> > There should be a place to explore that sort of thing, measure
maturity, cross-browser ability and other metadata as we have discussed. If
caniuse wants to offer to collab, host, etc - that could be cool, but I
think we have to be clear what we are taking about here
> Yeah, I'm also trying to get some clarity. I think we've started to
identify and classify a few different types of applications and ways of
doing these prollyfill things - which is great. It's feels like we are
close to some kind of consensus.
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> Marcos Caceres
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I suppose, but many libraries aren't even trying to provide a proposal or
an implementation of a proposal.  Many are whole frameworks with stacks of
dependent assumptions.  More often, I think, libraries are fueling ideas
for proposals by creating new useful abstractions.  Eventually, more
targeted ideas fall out.  RSVP provided an implementation of a targeted
promises proposal.  Each selector plugin in hitch provides a targeted
implementation of a proposal.  I think there is a community process to be
had which lets ideas pass hurdles so that these sorts of things are more
obvious with feedback... In fact, that's more what I am looking for with
something like this.