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From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:34:26 +0100
To: public-mwts@w3.org
Message-Id: <1231864466.10791.685.camel@localhost>

Hi,

The minutes of our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mwts-minutes.html
linked from
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom

                 Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group

13 Jan 2009

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Jan/0004.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          dom, Carmelo, Wilhelm, Kai, Dmitri

   Chair
          Wilhelm

   Scribe
          dom

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Widgets testing
         2. [6]Device independent testing guidelines
         3. [7]Memory test
         4. [8]Web Compatibility Test
         5. [9]Blog
         6. [10]Agreement on test suites with OMA
         7. [11]Rechartering
         8. [12]Next meeting
     * [13]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

Widgets testing

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF [recorded
   in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING]

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   Kai: Robert hasn't got back to me about that yet
   ... I've been doing some improvements on the widgets tests
   ... namely in the XML Digital Signature stuff
   ... I've also caught up with the updates to the RelaxNG of the spec

   Wilhelm: I'll talk to Robert about your questions

   Dom: WebApps is asking us comments on Widgets
   Packaging/Configuration

   Kai: I've sent comments, but not on behalf of the group

   Dom: I don't think we need to send formal comments, since Kai is
   already sending comments
   ... Kai, can you make sure to copy the comments to the list, though?

   Kai: sure

   Wilhelm: Opera has also participants in that group

Device independent testing guidelines

   <dom_scribe> [15]Device INdependent testing guidelines

     [15] http://dev.w3.org/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   Dom: I've started a general rewrite of the document, to show what I
   had in mind
   ... still need to finish going through my categories

   <scribe> ACTION: Dmitri to review the DI guidelines [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   Dmitri: I based by comments on the previous version - will send them

Memory test

   [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Dec/0015.htm
   l

     [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Dec/0015.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING]

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to run the memory test on his devices [recorded
   in [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [PENDING]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08

   Dom: started to do that, but didn't really figure out how to make it
   work properly

   Kai: ease of use could be improved indeed
   ... The idea is that it is supposed to show the next number in
   sequence

   Dom: I think it probably didn't work on my palm

   Kai: could use a binary search tree

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to implement binary search tree to determin
   limits of memory test [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

Web Compatibility Test

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to push forward with finding a replacement for
   the inputmode test [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   <scribe> ACTION: WIhelm to look into replacement for inputmode test
   [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING]

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   Kai: one thing that keeps popping up for me is bound to SSL tests
   ... certificate fragmentation
   ... I've emailed a guy at Verizon to get an extended certificate for
   testing, but haven't heard back

   Wilhelm: what particular problems?

   Kai: variation among certificate authorities, for instance
   ... on many devices, you can't inspect the trust roots
   ... makes it even harder to figure what might be going wrong
   ... another aspect is that some devices don't implement extended
   validation properly
   ... the first one seems more important to me, though

   s/verizon/versign/

   scribe: the SSL story on mobile seems a bit weird

   Wilhelm: would probably be hard to test in our framework, though
   ... to get the padlock, you need to have all the loaded items coming
   through SSL
   ... at least in Opera

   Kai: my bank site gets a padlock even though they're loading
   external javascript stuff
   ... I'll check it with opera
   ... any rough idea, Wilhelm?

   Wilhelm: thinking around Javascript, DOM, ...

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to look into creating test cases for SSL and
   certificates support on mobile [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

   Wilhelm: SSL is not establishing a hierarchy of trust, but a
   hierarchy of whom to blame

Blog

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to post an introductory message to the blog
   [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action12

   <dom_scribe> [26]Welcome message in our blog!

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/blog/2009/01/13/welcome

   Wilhelm: so you can now publish your post when you want

   Kai: will do in a couple of days
   ... to space them out

Agreement on test suites with OMA

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]
   [PENDING]

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
   [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [PENDING]

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15

Rechartering

   Dom: Dmitri, Carmelo, make sure your org re-join the group

   <dom_scribe> [29]interface to join the group for AC Reps

     [29] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/40010/join

Next meeting

   Dom: wilhelm not available next week, and I'll be just back from
   travel

   Kai: probably not available either

   RESOLUTION: Next call on January 27

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to implement binary search tree to determin limits
   of memory test [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to look into creating test cases for SSL and
   certificates support on mobile [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Dmitri to review the DI guidelines [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
   [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF
   [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Kai to push forward with finding a replacement for
   the inputmode test [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: WIhelm to look into replacement for inputmode test
   [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04
     [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15
     [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08
     [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02
     [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [38] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [39] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16

   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to post an introductory message to the blog
   [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action12]

     [41] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action12

   [End of minutes]
 
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