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[minutes] Tuesday September 9 teleconf

From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:35:49 +0200
To: public-mwts <public-mwts@w3.org>
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Hi,

The minutes of our teleconf today are at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html
linked from
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom
                MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

09 Sep 2008

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0005.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Wilhelm, dom, Kai, Dmitri, Carmelo

   Regrets
   Chair
          Dom

   Scribe
          dom

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Performance tests
         2. [6]Guidelines on writing Device Independent test cases
         3. [7]Testing Widgets?
         4. [8]Testing cookies support
         5. [9]Testing plugin support?
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

Performance tests

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to send a list of existing performance
   tests for analysis [recorded in
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]

     [11] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01

   <dom_scribe> [12]Wilhelm's list

     [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0003.html

   Dom: any one had a chance to run them on a mobile browser?

   Wilhelm: barely started; did dromaeo on one device, which ran out of
   memory

   Kai: couldn't run v8 on my iphone

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices
   [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few
   devices [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices
   and report back to the list [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

Guidelines on writing Device Independent test cases

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing
   device independent test cases [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [ONGOING]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   Carmelo: the QA WG started something along these lines; will use
   that as a starting point

   Kai: Ian Hickson's CSS test guidelines is also a good starting point

   [17]http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html

     [17] http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html

Testing Widgets?

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to contact editor of Widgets packaging spec to
   see if testing is appropriate [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03

   Kai: Markus (the editor) is quite busy - some parts of the spec is
   stable and possibly testable, but it is still very much up in the
   air

   <Carmelo> Quality Assurance Group Document
   [19]http://www.w3.org/TR/test-metadata/

     [19] http://www.w3.org/TR/test-metadata/

   Kai: would make a good deliverable later on - probably in the
   November timeframe
   ... this would fit well in my job assignments

   Dom: ok, bring it back to the group when you think this is ready for
   testing, then?

   kai: will do

Testing cookies support

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for
   cookies [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [ONGOING]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   Wilhelm: we do have a test suite - I'm looking into making it public
   (after cleaning up)

Testing plugin support?

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to look into testing for plugin support
   [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   <dom_scribe> [22]Kai on plugin support

     [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0006.html

   Dom: seems a bit complicated to test for support of
   installation/download of plugins

   Kai: indeed, getting the plugin installed seems to be difficult
   ... the test itself is easy - but there is almost a political
   question of whether to push for plugins
   ... plugins can bring both the best and the worse to the Web

   Wilhelm: my personal opinion is that plugins in many cases allow
   proprietary lock-in instead of open standards
   ... e.g. flash video instead of <video>

   Kai: agreed, although video on the web exists mostly through flash
   video
   ... Opera does support Gears, for instance, right?

   Wilhelm: we often have troubles with plugin vendors

   Kai: part of our mission in Aplix is to deploy functionalities that
   are not available in browsers

   Wilhelm: we use a similar approach to access hardware capabilities

   Dom: it would be hard to develop a plugin installable on any
   platform, right?

   Kai: we do it

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test
   [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test
   [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices
   [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and
   report back to the list [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices
   [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing
   device independent test cases [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for
   cookies [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02
     [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to contact editor of Widgets packaging spec to
   see if testing is appropriate [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to look into testing for plugin support [recorded
   in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to send a list of existing performance tests
   for analysis [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03
     [31] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [32] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01

   [End of minutes]
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