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[minutes] Tuesday Oct 7 teleconf

From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:24:37 +0200
To: public-mwts <public-mwts@w3.org>
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Hi,

The minutes of our teleconf today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mwts-minutes.html
linked from
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom

                MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

07 Oct 2008

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Oct/0002.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          dom, Wilhelm, Kai, Dmitri, Carmelo

   Regrets
   Chair
          Dom

   Scribe
          dom

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Performance test
         2. [6]Device Independent Testing Guidelines
         3. [7]Cookies test suite
         4. [8]Widget test suite
         5. [9]Plugin test
         6. [10]DOM3 testing
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________



Performance test

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to blog about performance tests and mobile
   [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   <dom_scribe> [13]MWI Blog on "Performance tests and mobile browsers"

     [13] http://www.w3.org/blog/MWITeam/2008/10/06/performance_tests_and_mobile_browsers

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few
   devices [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03

   <dom_scribe> [15]Wilhelm's finding on performances test

     [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0022.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices
   and report back to the list [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   <dom_scribe> [17]Kai's findings on performance test

     [17] http://www.w3.org/mid/b24851260809220721v36ea715dy4547731917e6a768@mail.gmail.com

   Dom: so, where do we go based on this sorry state of support for
   performances test on mobile devices?

   Kai: we could compile a list of platforms which do well vs those
   that don't

   <hendry> [18]http://flickr.com/photos/hendry/2894931307

     [18] http://flickr.com/photos/hendry/2894931307

   Kai: I think we should draw attention to the Web compatibility test
   for mobile browser
   ... I've been thinking about modifying some of the sunspiders test
   to have them skip tests that obviously failed

   dom: sounds promising

   Wilhelm: I think the coming generation of mobile browsers will be
   able to run these tests without any help from us
   ... not sure we need to spend much time on this

   <hendry> [19]http://static.webvm.net/js/frame-message.html # tests
   for error

     [19] http://static.webvm.net/js/frame-message.html

   Kai: agree with Kai; I like the performance tests because they give
   an idea of the speed of the device
   ... and measure how far they are behind the desktops UAs

   RESOLUTION: we're not going to invest more time on performance
   testing for the time being

Device Independent Testing Guidelines

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing
   device independent test cases [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   <dom_scribe> [21]Carmelo's draft

     [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/att-0020/Guidelines_for_Writing_Moibile_Tests.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to review DI testing guielines [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   <dom_scribe> [23]Wilhelm's comments on DI testing guidelines

     [23] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.uiapzhkjm3w6te@kugalskapet

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to review DI testing guidelines [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING]

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   Wilhelm: would like to have it in CVS for shared work

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to put the document in CVSV [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

   Wilhelm: [summarizing comments]

Cookies test suite

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for
   cookies [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   Wilhelm: just need to release them; probably going to happen in the
   next 2 weeks
   ... there will be cookies, but a much broader package

Widget test suite

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to come back with a plan for helping test
   widgets specs [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   Carmelo: this will be discussed during the WebApps WG F2F in Cannes

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to send details about meeting in WebApps WG
   F2F re testing [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mwts-minutes.html#action10]

Plugin test

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
   [PENDING]

     [29] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action10

   Kai: we also have a basic ActiveX test now
   ... Does Opera has any extension system?

   Wilhelm: nope

DOM3 testing

   Carmelo: the DOM3 group of the web applications wg is very
   interested in using our harness for DOM3 events

   Dom: they're welcomed to, if the harness fit their needs

   <dom_scribe> [30]Mobile Test Harness code

     [30] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2007/mobile-test-harness/

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to send details about meeting in WebApps WG
   F2F re testing [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to put the document in CVSV [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test
   [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to review DI testing guidelines [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for
   cookies [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action10
     [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to come back with a plan for helping test
   widgets specs [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing
   device independent test cases [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to blog about performance tests and mobile
   [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and
   report back to the list [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to review DI testing guielines [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices
   [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

     [36] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action09
     [37] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02
     [38] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action04
     [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04
     [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/16-mwts-minutes.html#action06
     [41] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03

   [End of minutes]
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