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[minutes] Tuesday Apr 24 Teleconf

From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:24:48 +0200
To: public-mwts@w3.org
Message-Id: <1177431888.6683.83.camel@cumulustier>

Hi,

The minutes of our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html
linked from:
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below. Thanks Carmelo for scribing.

Dom



                MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

24 Apr 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Apr/0013.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Jenise, Carmelo, dom, Till, Dmitri, Allen, Wilhelm

   Chair
          Dom

   Scribe
          Carmelo

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Conformance Test suites
         2. [6]Community-based Test suite
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

   Wilhelm introduced himself

   and explained his work at Opera

   He does have some experience on Mobile device testing and hope to
   contribute to group

   Wilhelm will working as a replacement for Till.

   Till will be leaving the Group.

   Any question from Wilhelm for the Group

   None at this time. He been reading the mail logs

Conformance Test suites

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to look at implementing an id for test session
   [recorded in
   [8]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING]

      [8] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to look at implementing Till's suggestions for the
   DOM Test Suites [recorded in
   [9]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

      [9] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   <dom> [10]Automation of DOM Test suite

     [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Apr/0012.html

   Carmelo asked as to when the results are recorded when running the
   suite

   Results are recorded as the tests are run.

   Dom: Automation works on Firefox but not on Opera just yet.

   Till will have a look into that.

   <scribe> ACTION: Till to do extra reseach on autmatic execution
   using Opera [recorded in
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

   ok waiting on DOM

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to look at integrating the WICD test suite into
   the harness [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
   [PENDING]

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action10

   <dom> ACTION: Till to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the harness on
   a mobile device [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   Everything seems to have run fine using the Mobile device

   Till: made a few comments regarding the test suite itself.

   <scribe> ACTION: Till to draft a first message to regarding SVG test
   suite [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

   <scribe> ACTION: carmelo: To contact SVG Working group with Till's
   comments. [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the harness
   on a mobile device [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   Dom: Is Opera using teh SVG suite?

   Till: Yes very much so

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to contact the SVG Working Group to let them
   know about the test harness including SVG Tiny [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action11

   Till: To post a message regarding Opera's usage of SVG Tiny suite.

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to check whether we're allowed to put the WCSS
   Test suite in the mobile test harness [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING]

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to explore using XHTML MP as part of the harness
   [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING]

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   Do we need to do anything specific regarding to testfest (an event
   from OMA)

   Allen: Asked about moving harness to a more prominent place in W3C
   Site

   <dom> ACTION: Allen to see from where the harness should be linked
   [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action12]

   What about using main page advertised for the harness

   Dom: This is usually done for public documents.

   Maybe we are not ready for that kind of attention just yet

   Allen: Not a strong opinion either way just yet.

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to check with SVG and CSS WG whether they want
   more visibility of their test suites through the harness [recorded
   in [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action13]

Community-based Test suite

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to send responses to respondents of survey
   [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to update the test submissions document based
   on Dom's comments and put on the W3C site [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action08

   <dom> [24][DRAFT] Guidelines for the Mobile Web Test Suites Group
   (MWTS) Tests Submissions

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/Open/submission.html

   Carmelo: based on a document for XML Query

   ... [summarizes content of the document]

   ... positive test: test with well-formed correct content

   ... negative test: test with content that should trigger an error of
   sort

   ... behavioral test: test that highlights a specific behavior of a
   browser

   Dom: the point on not using company names on so on should probably
   apply to all the content, not only function names

   <dom> [25]MWBP Tests cases on encoding

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/mwbp-tests/index.xhtml

   <dom> [26]more test cases

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2006/09/mobile-tests/index.xhtml

   dom: I don't think we need the sections on collation; the point on
   URIs should be to use relative URIs rather than absolute URIs

   ... can remove also the section on XML and namespaces, "Results and
   Serialization", as well as numerical boundaries

   Dmitri: will send comments by email on positive vs negative tests;
   would be good to have examples

   Carmeo: will publish an updated version of the document later today

   dom: I'll be looking into creating the web interface for submitting
   testcases

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Allen to see from where the harness should be linked
   [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
   [NEW] ACTION: carmelo: To contact SVG Working group with Till's
   comments. [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to check with SVG and CSS WG whether they want
   more visibility of their test suites through the harness [recorded
   in [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action13]
   [NEW] ACTION: Till to do extra reseach on autmatic execution using
   Opera [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Till to draft a first message to regarding SVG test
   suite [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Carmelo to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the
   harness on a mobile device [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to check whether we're allowed to put the WCSS
   Test suite in the mobile test harness [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to explore using XHTML MP as part of the
   harness [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look at implementing an id for test session
   [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look at integrating the WICD test suite
   into the harness [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action10]

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09
     [33] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06
     [34] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/13-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [36] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action10

   [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to contact the SVG Working Group to let them
   know about the test harness including SVG Tiny [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
   [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to update the test submissions document based
   on Dom's comments and put on the W3C site [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to look at implementing Till's suggestions for
   the DOM Test Suites [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to send responses to respondents of survey
   [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [DONE] ACTION: Till to try the SVG Tiny test suite in the harness on
   a mobile device [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

     [37] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action11
     [38] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action08
     [39] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action06
     [40] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [41] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   [End of minutes]
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