Re: Framework document

Hi Renjish,

> Ken, Steph, All,
>    That's where perhaps we need to have a clear description of the 
> target scenario detailing the ground realities and challenges as a 
> background. 

I'm not sure i understand what you mean by a target scenario ?


> Overall, the idea is that there will be a heterogenous set of device 
> types available to the end-user having multiple network interface 
> capabilities in the coming years and therefore using the term mobile 
> "phone" may restrict us from looking at all possible aspects to the 
> solution.

i agree here.

> Also, note that though our focus is on the device and related platforms, 
> we should not forget the economic and technology challenges caused by 
> the other elements in the end-to-end service delivery such as the access 
> network types. 

yes we mentionned that in previous discussions. The cost for the 
end-user to access and use the service is a parameter to take into 
account, and we should identify the different potential options for 
different technologies.e.g. for voice applicatins you might use a free 
number, for mobile web access you might look at kiosk solution like 
presented...

> Another point to mention: Are we considering a specific time horizon for 
> the problems and our solutions ? Is it a 5 year or a 10 year plan? What 
> is the time period of "today" and "tomorrow"? This space is contantly 
> evolving and stating a specific numerical period may not be 
> appropriate. It may therefore be best to fix a clear set of 
> challenges/scenarios for which we come up with the solutions.

+1 it does not make sense to me to fix a time line. For now, there is a 
set of tehcnologies existing to deploy services on phones, some of them 
available on all phones (sms, voice), some on a smaller subset (e.g. 
java), some on a very small set (e.g mobile browser) and we should 
explore all these options, and identify the associated challenges which 
can be technological, socio-economical, cultural,...

> Vision statements usually are short. So, are we planning to have a 
> separate document where we go into the details of each section? Do 
> we have a plan for this?

Sure. My view is that the vision document is like a brochure of the 
group, but it does not bring much value except raising awareness, and 
attracting potential stakeholders to join the work.
I hope we would not spend too much time on this, and finish it by the 
end of the month, or so.
Then, and we could discuss to start that now or after, we will have to 
develop what i call a "roadmap" which is the real meat, identifying 
issues and challenges, potential solutions,...
Defining the structure of this document would, imho, be the first challenge

Best
Stephane
>  
> On 8/1/08, *Ken Banks, kiwanja.net <http://kiwanja.net>* 
> <donotreply@kiwanja.net <mailto:donotreply@kiwanja.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Steph, all
> 
>     I agree that we need to think in terms of a "dual" approach, i.e. what's
>     possible now on whatever mobile devices people have in their hands,
>     and what
>     might be possible tomorrow when the whole world has an iPhone.
> 
>     The whole episode with Google Android sums up this topic beautifully, I
>     think. When it was announced last year, the Android Challenge quickly
>     followed, seeking to encourage the developer community to build apps for
>     social good, with a slant on developing countries. I don't know how long
>     it's going to be before rural populations in developing countries have
>     Android-powered phones, but it's not going to be for some time yet.
>     Right
>     now, on the mid-to-higher level devices at least, we have Java, and
>     GPRS,
>     and a browser. And, of course SMS (on all levels of phones). We're
>     hardly
>     scratching the surface with these, let alone on something that
>     doesn't yet
>     exist.
> 
>     I wrote about this here if you're interested:
>     http://www.blogspot.kiwanja.net/2007/11/battleship-google-fires-its-new-gun.
>     html
> 
>     So, I agree. Let's keep a sense of reality on what we seek to do.
>     The future
>     doesn't exist yet, but the present does!
> 
>     Have good weekends.  =)
> 
>     Ken
>     www.kiwanja.net <http://www.kiwanja.net>
> 
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: public-mw4d-request@w3.org <mailto:public-mw4d-request@w3.org>
>     [mailto:public-mw4d-request@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-mw4d-request@w3.org>] On
>     Behalf Of Stephane Boyera
>     Sent: 01 August 2008 08:32
>     To: Renjish Kumar
>     Cc: public-mw4d@w3.org <mailto:public-mw4d@w3.org>
>     Subject: Re: framework document
> 
> 
>     I'm ok to use the concept of mobile devices instead of mobile phones.
>     That said, i would like to make it clear that the key objective for me
>     is to focus on currently installed base of devices, and to take
>     advantage on mobile phones/devices which are in the field today, which
>     are for now low-end phones in most places.
>     I believe that in some ways, if we consider mobile phones as a whole, or
>     even cover a broader category under mobile devices, we might miss some
>     challenges. using a low-end phone as an ict-platform, is not the same
>     thing as using a smartphone. and i believe we will have to adresse this
>     difference.
>     my personnal view again is that we have to see what is possible today
>     right now, and what would be possible in the future. We have to pave the
>     road to this future, but start from where we are today, ie what is in
>     the pocket of the targeted people.
> 
>     stephane
> 
>     Stephane
>     Renjish Kumar a écrit :
>      > Hello,
>      >    For the vision section, are we not considering mobile
>      > "devices" instead of mobile "phones" ? I think we should take a
>     broader
>      > view on the type of "mobile" device used for web and not restrict it
>      > only to phones. In fact, some handset vendors are already moving
>     towards
>      > renaming such mobile phones as mobile/multimedia computers.... In my
>      > opinion, mobile web could be over any type of mobile device in future
>      > such as UMPC, Tablet PC or the likes.
>      >
>      > Regards
>      > Renjish
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On 7/29/08, *Stephane Boyera* <boyera@w3.org
>     <mailto:boyera@w3.org> <mailto:boyera@w3.org <mailto:boyera@w3.org>>>
>     wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      >     Dear all,
>      >
>      >     As committed yesterday during the call, i put online the first
>      >     version of the framework document.
>      >
>      >     what i did is the following:
>      >
>      >     1- i created from the wiki homepage
>      >     (http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/ )a new section ""
>      >     from this section i created a dedicated page for the framework
>     document
>      >
>      >     2- in the framework document itself, i put few info for those who
>      >     would get to it without knowing the mw4d group, 2 new sections
>      >     (editors and contributors) and the original document i send
>     to the
>      >     list 2 weeks ago.
>      >     in the editors section, there is now Jeff and myself, but if
>     anybody
>      >     else interested to join us, you are welcome.
>      >     in the contributors sectino i listed all people who either
>      >     participated in one of the 2 teleconferences in which we
>     discussed
>      >     this topic, or who send comments on my original proposal. I might
>      >     have missed someone. let me know. For some people i put their
>      >     affiliations because i knew it, for someother either i didn't
>     know
>      >     or i was not sure it was appropriate to cite it. Let me know if
>      >     something needs to be updated for you.
>      >
>      >     3- i didn't yet incorporate all the comments received on the
>     first
>      >     draft i sent to the list, but i just focused on the first section
>      >     "vision" which was the focus of yesterday call. I wanted to
>     release
>      >     this document asap to trigger discussion for next week call.
>     I will
>      >     update later this week the other sections with the comments
>     received.
>      >
>      >     4- in the vision section, and for other sections in the
>     future too,
>      >     i believe that we are not in the phasis of writing content,
>     but more
>      >     about brainstorming. So i decided not to make sentences yet
>     but to
>      >     have 2 sub-section: one describing what should be in the section,
>      >     and one just listing ideas and concepts we want to integrate
>     in the
>      >     section. When we will have consensus on all the ideas we will be
>      >     able to move to sentences.
>      >
>      >     5- i tried in the vision section to list all the comments,
>     ideas we
>      >     discussed yesterday, and on the mailing-list, plus one or two
>     more.
>      >
>      >     The document is at
>      >     http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/mw4dframework
>      >
>      >     now, comments are welcome !!
>      >
>      >     cheers
>      >     Stephane
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